tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post6450649720187088379..comments2024-03-23T00:46:27.084+02:00Comments on Egyptian Chronicles: Cover boyZeinobiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12290387395565291310noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-39516505981286973632007-10-16T02:33:00.000+02:002007-10-16T02:33:00.000+02:00@aardvark, I guess the comments here are the best ...@aardvark, I guess the comments here are the best proof of what you are saying ,you can't have a peaceful discussion of any period in the history of Egypt without having arrguments like that <BR/><BR/>@Ohio ,that is what we should do with every era to analysis it in order to find the pros and cons of it taking consideration the international and internal circumstance of each era so we can judge it fairly away from emition <BR/>in 1940s the rich fabric of the Egyptian society was advantage but on the other hand the economy was under a foreign control , the Egyptians ,the education , the army , the terrible weak army , unfortunately in that period there was a corruption from the parties "Zeinab El-Wakeel and Fouad Serg El-Din , despite the claims of the TV Series" from the entrouage of the king , do not tell me that having friends from Italian workers not even business men or educated did not affect the King nor the fact that he did not complete his education especially the military education <BR/>by the way Ohio those Millions you saw in the funeral were not only nudged but also from their hearts , Nasser had a charming charsmatic personality , you can't deny , truth is truth <BR/><BR/>@Hajaj, I agree with the revolution came to an end in 1967 , in fact may be earlier when it abondened its princple having a healthy democratic life ,Egypt is for the people who love it whether Arabs or non Arabs , another with my all respect I won't accept any insult or underestimation to the Greek or the Armanian Communities in Egypt especially those two , read the history of Greek Community and you will know how much help the Greeks gave to Egypt do you know that Greek guides came and helped the Egyptians , another thing the Egyptian Jews lived in Egypt since their return of Exodus as long as they were faithful to Egypt they will consider Egyptians <BR/>another thing I do not look through that narrow perspective Egypt for the Arabs , for God Sake what about the Non Arab Muslims who built that CountryZeinobiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290387395565291310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-70965919386604039882007-10-15T21:30:00.000+02:002007-10-15T21:30:00.000+02:00Millions Egyptians going on the street post Nasser...Millions Egyptians going on the street post Nasser speeches and after his death is worst Egyptian movie production one can ever fathom. Do you really believe that? Ask around. How school kids were given the nudge to leave schools to go on the street shouting glory to Nasser? How employees at government offices were offered the day off to do the same. Who wouldn’t accept over three days off at his funeral? Talking about Arab revolution; like sending Egyptian army to Yemen? Shouting street language insult at King Hussein? Ask yourself how long did unity with Syria lasted??!! How much fear did he promote in non-compliant Arabic countries considering the Russian supplying him with weapons and spying info from these countries? He was the definition of a puppet in the hand of the Soviet Union. To give you an example, when the American government at the time realized that they weren’t clear or logical enough about turning the Aswan dam after realizing that the Soviet Union used it to higher the Egyptian puppet they offered him a generous support about building a dual nature nuclear power plant (electric energy production and desalination of the sea water for agriculture). The Soviet Union at the time programmed him to turn it down at the last minute by refusing to sign the IAEA protocol (now it is run by an Egyptian noble peace price winner?!!). He destroyed the farming industry, he nationalized technical business and put army officers to run them, and when his hot air speeches came to the test in 1967 war he claimed ignorance of the status of the Egyptian army. At least Farouk (as Zeinobia mentioned) came to realize things are above his head and wished Naguib to do better. If Egyptian continue to buy hot air words from so called leaders, sorry to say it; they deserve what the got.Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810708986376918812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-669457415287485112007-10-15T20:42:00.000+02:002007-10-15T20:42:00.000+02:00Great Effort Z., please keep browsing...and i am p...Great Effort Z., please keep browsing...<BR/><BR/>and i am pitiful that every time some one try to browse the egyptian pre-1952 history, it drags such Revolusion vs Reaction comments!!!Aardvark EF-111Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11119544947280234922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-37433741191177949812007-10-15T17:53:00.000+02:002007-10-15T17:53:00.000+02:00Canada, Australia, U.S!!! That can't be Egypt is o...Canada, Australia, U.S!!! That can't be Egypt is only for Egyptians and Arabs! Foreigners except jews are still very welcome. Mainly most of the foreigners back then were servants (Greeks), dancers and entertainers( Armenians). Lebanese and Syrians are not foreigners they Arabs like us so it is their country.<BR/><BR/>Besides, some of them played a treacherous role during the war England, France and Israel launched aginst Egypt in 1956, so it was very natural to deport those who collaborated . The loyal ones are more than welcome on top of our heads. But they have to prove their loyality to the Arab republic. As far as I know, Greeks for example refused to join the army!!!! so they leftAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-27772722504884585672007-10-15T16:10:00.000+02:002007-10-15T16:10:00.000+02:00People, the revolution came to an end in 1967!!!!!...People, the revolution came to an end in 1967!!!!!<BR/><BR/>It was not a couprt it was a revolution, simply because the radical change it caused in the power structures not only in Eypt, but also in the entire Arab world or even the world.<BR/><BR/>Also, because the tens of millions of Egyptians who supported the revolution by all their hearts, as their lives was totally changed for the better by the revolution. Uptill now millions consider themselves the children of the revolution.<BR/><BR/>By the way check Naser's funeral, the millions who used to come out SPONTANIOUSLY TO SUPPORT NASSER WHENEVR HE M,ADE A SPEECHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-61768600856110228412007-10-15T14:55:00.000+02:002007-10-15T14:55:00.000+02:00You nailed the key point Zeinobia it was a coup no...You nailed the key point Zeinobia it was a coup not a revolution. Let us examine Egypt since the late 19th century and up to 1948 (post WWII). Egypt was a land where peoples immigrated to out of fear and disappointment with their potentials in their own countries, feel of danger for their own lives, and some for the love of it. Best examples are Greek community, Armenian community, ‘Shawam’(Syrian/Lebanese) community, and yes even Jewish community. They found peace, love and prosperity in Egypt. They didn’t take what was assigned normally to Egyptian available skills. One can only site some examples like restaurant/food (Greek), Gold & Jewelry crafting and Photography (Armenian), Commerce (Jewish), Clothing and entertainment (Syrian/Lebanese). In a typical apartment building in Cairo you normally find some of the mix with Egyptian (Muslims and Christian Copts), at each community religious or traditional festivities there were frequent exchange of traditional food and sweets, even during the hard time of WWII in Europe. There was no volume of resentment to drive people to hate and demands typically found in a revolution (like the French and Russians). In fact Egypt till the late 1940s played the role Canada, US and Australia are playing today. On the negative side literacy rate was low (some claims about 10%), however one need to analyze was that all of it system’s errors or big part due to the farmers culture demanding labor help from family hands (children) in lieu of sending them to school?. BTW, today literacy rate in Egypt is 55.6% (you do the analysis..??). I am not saying everything was wonderful, but the balance sheet was not in favor of a revolution per say.Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810708986376918812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-68808735713145052472007-10-15T01:38:00.000+02:002007-10-15T01:38:00.000+02:00@Ohia unfortunately Farouk did not act as responsi...@Ohia unfortunately Farouk did not act as responsible man in public, people especially from abroad "this was from the Time" judged him on his acts like any person does, the one who did not know Farouk personally or familiar with his decisions before will conclude that he was irresponsible regardless of the circusmtances that around him <BR/>Ohio Farouk was speeding in his downfall thanks to the fact that he could not take it anymore as far as I see it , those who helped him were not there anymore Hassanein or Ali Maher , and unfortunately they did not prepare him to take responsbility either ,and the result he was acting in the end of his era in a way that did not suite the situation , let's be unbiased here I love Farouk and I feel that he was a victim holding a responsbility that was more than his capabilities and he knew and that's why he said his famous words to Naguib "I wish that you succeed in what I fail" <BR/>and yes Naguib was the best , if he had ruled in the way he wanted , the Constitutional way and the army returned back to where it came , we would have been like Japan , not only us but also Sudan ,check my posts about that man <BR/><BR/>@al-Hajaj <BR/>with my all respect yes the Egyptian revolution was not bloody as the revolutions you mentioned , but what it did from defaming and destroying the history of not only Mohamed Ali dynasty but the liberal history of Egypt in a way that affected our present and certainty our future not less than those revolutions and here i am talking about the legacy of Nasser not the bright revolution 6 prinicpals that were never achieved at all , all revolutions got brights princpals but the impact is the measure , do not forget every country is different case form place to time to people thousands in other factors if we compare between those revolutions<BR/>already I can't compare them with the Egyptian revolution espceially the French or the russian , because actually the Egyptian revolution was a coup not a huge public reaction like the French or a radical ideological social political revolution like in RussiaZeinobiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290387395565291310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-53354754224939979412007-10-14T21:33:00.000+02:002007-10-14T21:33:00.000+02:00Agreed; he was mishandled by some self served comp...Agreed; he was mishandled by some self served competing advisors. Also agreed,the so alled 'Egyptian revolution' could have been easily blended with history famously documented, revolutions had it been given the chance to follow the path drawn by Naguib. Egypt could have been ways better than the mess it (and the rest of the arab world) encountering todayOhiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810708986376918812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-34962509318634252242007-10-14T20:22:00.000+02:002007-10-14T20:22:00.000+02:00Ohiogoaimus, No doubt Farouk's reputation and imag...Ohiogoaimus, No doubt Farouk's reputation and image was unjustly and unduely downgraded by the revolution. Yet, when the Egyptian revolution is placed in a comparaive perspective, one can't help leaping into the concluson that Egyptian revolution was quite fair, mind you care running over the events of:<BR/><BR/>1) English revolution<BR/><BR/>2)French revolution<BR/><BR/>3)Russian revolution<BR/><BR/>4)Argentenian revolutionAl-Hajaj Ibn Youssef Al Yhak'fyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993519604325459248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-33458325206003648332007-10-14T16:00:00.000+02:002007-10-14T16:00:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810708986376918812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-28216435189903700732007-10-14T15:55:00.000+02:002007-10-14T15:55:00.000+02:00Looking back at documented Egyptian history during...Looking back at documented Egyptian history during 1951 in Suez and the Cairo fire (Jan 16 1951) is bound to make one very angry of the amount of lies painting Farouk as irresponsible King looking only for his own pleasure. Yes he was unfairly placed in this position as the King boy at a very young age, in a country colonized by the Superpower of its time, one may wonder however at the courage he exercised in colliding with the British authority during the Ismalia incident, driving over 1000 of British families to leave the area. He wasn’t protected or motivated by another competing superpower (like Nasser and the Soviet Union), he was rather trying to deal with the mess in the country coming from various angles, losses at 1948 war, inside political conflicts, British arrogance and believe it or not there were some communist cells also. He even refused to accept Naguib’s submitted resignation indicating his positive assessment of such an honest man. Check this link for BBC around that time<BR/>http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/20/newsid_3204000/3204331.stm.Ohiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06810708986376918812noreply@blogger.com