Here are three short video clips in Arabic I recorded for presidential candidate Dr. Abdel Moneim Abu El Fotoh during his lecture in Jesuit School “CSF” which I covered last Wednesday.
Here is the first clip showing the answer of Dr. Abu El Fotoh about a question regarding the citizenship concept in Egypt.
The second clip Abu El Fotoh speaks about the concept of the civil state and its history. You will noticed that he was backed up by his political advisor Rabab El Mahdy who supported his definition for the civil state.
The third and last clip I recorded in video was his answer about a question regarding the Egyptian-Southern Sudanese relations and South Sudan.
Now after registering as a presidential candidate yesterday Abu El Fotoh campaign released the presidential program of the strong Islamist candidate on the same day. You can read the program in Arabic here.
Abu El Fotoh presidential program
I think this is the first presidential candidate to present a full program for real. Now I have gone through it fast and I have written several remarks about it quickly :
- The language used in the presidential program PDF is targeting the educated and intelligentsia class , the language used in the presidential program is hard for the average Egyptian citizen who does not know the meaning of a concept like sustainable development. I hope that the presidential program is simplified especially its economic parts.
- I think Islamic Sharia was mentioned 3 times only in the 45 pages Program.
- Are we going to have a new constitution if he becomes the president instead of the one the constituent assembly wants to draft !?
- He wants a semi-presidential state. “Abu Ismail wants a Presidential state while Muslim brotherhood wants a parliamentary state”
- He believes in decentralization in governorates , local councils and municipals and how governors and mayors are going to be elected.
- He is with the freedom of unions and syndications.
I still need to go through the program again especially the economic part of it. These are my initial thoughts.
He said absolutely nothing new on South Sudan.
ReplyDeleteHe said nothing about perceptions of inequity and injustice re: the Nile Basin Agreements by 'all' States upstream of Egypt about how they were treated, not just under Mubarak but under those who came before him.
Rhetoric, rhetoric....and yet more rhetoric.
You are right he should have discussed Nile basin agreements and go to foreign policy and tell everyone how Sudanese Ummah party led a conspiracy with Israel since 1954 against Egypt & Sudan!!!
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The Umma Party conspiring against Sudan? : )
DeleteWhilst the Umma Party gave Sudan its independence??
The Umma Pary conspiring with Israel when it wasn't in control of the country and didn't have 'hard power'?
He hasn't been to Sudan and would have been declared a popular 'persona non grata' there if he dared to say anything against the Umma Party.
If he had any such views he should have made them clear when he approached Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi's office for a meeting and during their meeting.
Mr Sudanese Mahdist ,
DeleteHistorical studies based on cited references should be analysed through those references ... References were based on dates , persons and otherwise can't be verified with talk only.. I admire your repect for your Imam's but in this case you can't hold much..
Moreover, there is a latest release about his role on helping the Ethiopians on their attempt to invade Sudan in 1979 ...
Regards,
Why Umma Party is a negative sum to Sudanese internal politics ??
DeleteThey claim they talk on behalf of Sudanese , as if there are no other parties ??
What is their role in dividing Sudan ??
http://www.sudaneseonline.com/cgi-bin/sdb/2bb.cgi?seq=msg&board=15&msg=1252904442
An 'alleged' role in helping Ethiopia in an 'alleged' 'attempted' invasion of Sudan...
DeletePoppycock.
The reality on the ground sees:
Halayeb as being unilaterally invaded and occupied by Mubarak's regime since the mid-90's and you condoning it
And the High Dam being the 'worst' example in the world for transboundary harm versus no transboundary benefit and you not admitting it.
Sudan's historical engagement with Egypt, and till this day is negative-sum whilst Sudan's engagement with Ethiopia today is positive-sum.
We respect each other and no group claims a sense of entitlement to the other.
Any politician who copied Egypt led to Sudan's division because Egypt is a centralised 'Arab' Republic and we are the antithesis of that and the Umma Party's positions have historically been at loggerheads with official Egypt.
Nile Crocodile what do you know of Sudan's parties of political makeup?
As much as Abu Ismail and his barefaced lies and ignorance whilst claiming to 'know' Sudanese judges and politicians (he doesn't)?
Ummah party dealing with Israel is treason ..
DeleteIf you have nothing to say about it ... Then .. We should ask what was the price for dividing Sudan ..?
Imam Al-Ansar should not lie .... Dealing with Israel and its role in South Sudan , Darfur is treason ...
Halayib was offered a Referendum in 2007 but Sudanese officials refused they and other Sudanese politicals want to keep the case as much as possible for their goals!!!
Sudanese Mahdist
Delete( Halayeb - High Damn - Transboundary effects ) , you are confused ..... The discussion was about Sudanese Ummah Party long collaboration with Israel , do you know someone in Ummah Party ? If yes , does he have proof that the references in the study are wrong?
The researcher doesn't have "Views" , he has "References" & "Documents" for Sudanese Umma party collaboration with Israel ..
DeleteThe party should discuss the references not the person who cited them ..
Regards
Dealing with Israel is a crime from Sudanese perspective
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So why are Mahdist defending their long relation with Israel ???
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Sudanese Ummah Party and Israel long realtions
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Why El-mahdi then attacked Kiir for his visit to Israel ??.(http://www.sudantribune.com/Sudan-s-ex-PM-launches-fierce,41085)
Isn't this bi-standards?!!
I totally agree with Zeinoba, this was turn in the right direction and did leave me feeling a bit more amicable torwards Abu El Fotoh. Thanks for sharing this bog post.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, I designed http://www.goldtree.co.za
If this was coming from anyone but Egyptians who are beneficiaries of their State's relationship with Israel then it would have some credence but your hypocrisy is laughable.
ReplyDeleteObserver what do you know about Sudanese perspectives...?
The Sudan Liberation Movement of Darfur has ties with Israel as does the Justice and Equality Movement of Darfur...
The Sudanese Communist Party made contact with Israelis early on in our history.
Someone whose country has strategic military, economic and diplomatic relations with Israel cannot speak on behalf of a peoples' he or she knows nothing about.
Halayeb, the High Dam and transboundary harm and inequity are all specific problems that are Egyptian in origin.
Anyone with a semblance of intellect would know that.
If dealing with Israel is fine with you , why did El-Sadiq al-Mahdi Attacked others for doing this ??
Delete(http://www.sudantribune.com/Sudan-s-ex-PM-launches-fierce,41085)..... According to you , it is considered hipocrisy ....
The problem about dealing with Israel at that low level is that the Israeilis say that he was PAID ..
I don't think that " Sudan Liberation Movement of Darfur " and " Sudanese Communist Parties" were paid , assuming that your allegations are right.I doubt this because they didn't mention any of this in the documents revealed by the Israeili Government... They sold-out all the Sudanese officials who received money till " The Fallasha" case ...
When you are "PAID" , it is not about perspectives anymore ... even , not about win/win relation or common interest ...
ReplyDeleteIsraeili documents states the amount of money that they give Al-mahdi ..!!!
If he 'allegedly' got paid, so do you in economic aid...
ReplyDeleteIf you want to believe the Israelis spy talk, that's your choice.
Hypocrisy is when you have the level of relations that you do with Israel and then use it as an outdated bogeyman against Ethiopia's development of its water resources.
I repeat:
If this was coming from anyone but Egyptians who are beneficiaries of their State's relationship with Israel then it would have some credence but your hypocrisy is laughable.
Provide evidence that Egypt proposed a referendum in Halayeb...
You treated Israel with more respect than Sudan when you took the dispute over Taba to international arbitration whilst refusing to do the same with Sudan.
We don't buy your incoherence over Israel, it's last Century's news, there are Sudanese in Israel, those who make it without getting shot, find a new bogeyman.
If getting paid "under-table" is how you perceive political life in Sudan , now we know why it is 2 republics now with highest chance of number increase...
ReplyDeleteThe news about this came from "Doha" ... via "Israel"... but you can blame it on Egypt as usual....
Blame it on Egypt?
ReplyDeleteNo, Egypt isn't happy with Qatar's leading diplomatic role and its openness to all parties, including Israel.
Egypt believes it has a historical monopoly over all things.
If the accusations of relations with Israel were coming from anyone but Egyptians who are beneficiaries of their State's relationship with Israel themselves then it would have some credence but your hypocrisy is laughable.
Your hypocrisy is rife.
You have the strongest relations with Israel, and others are following suit.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
I'm sorry to say that Egypt's future doesn't look too bright what with the dimwitted figures you have that are contesting its Presidency.
Sudan split because of attempts to emulate characteristics that Egypt finds sacrosanct 'centralism' and 'Arabism'.
You Egyptians don't understand , it is all about " El-falankoot" ... This is what shakes Ummah leaders ...
DeleteMahdist can you tell where this money he got from Israel went ??..
Ousted Mubarak regime had a problem with Qatar ... Now , we don't ...
DeleteAs far as I know , Sadat was not paid under table to establish relations with Israel .. adding to the fact , that he didn't hide it for 60 years ...
"..Egyptians who are beneficiaries of their State's relationship with Israel themselves... " .. States hold relations with each other for benifits !!! Though , political parties when they hold it with secret service agencies they do it for MONEY...
Frankly speaking ,I don't know how they call this in Sudan.
Cheers,
Falankoot?
ReplyDeleteYou guys are funny...
What do you care about his money, he was born wealthier than you'll ever be
If he was born wealthy ... why did they need Israeili money ?!!!
ReplyDeleteAnd why did they have to pay Ummah party ?!!!
At that time Israel was considered an enemy and still for some Sudanese, go ask Mr Torabi....
It's Dr Turabi not Mr. and you're assuming the allegations are true.
ReplyDeleteIf Egypt is so strong and noble, why did she have to pacify Israel and receive economic and military aid in return?
Egyptians can defend themselves ... Though , they performed their political aliases infront of the whole world , not needing to take undertable money ...
DeleteTheir parliament supported this ...
Ummah party in fifties... Noooooooooooooo
Who are you fooling???!!
Prove that money was indeed taken.
DeleteWhere's the material proof?
You've changed your line of argumentation...
From dealing with Israel being a bad thing (in the case of Ethiopia), now it's about dealing in open versus making clandestine deals...
And all of this with no 'concrete evidence'.
Hypocrites.
Proof ??
ReplyDeleteDidn't you read the citations for the references in the study??!!
They are all official documents released for time clearance ( British - Israeli) ..!!
Israeilis always burn their trojan horses when they become old & useless;) ...
" A political party taking money from a foreign secret service agency is an act of treason"
It's really funny how Israeli intelligence has become legit and credible all of a sudden.
DeleteAll I can do with these types of Egyptians is just to shake my head...
Nasser and his clowns, the likes of Salah Salim and his intelligence bribed members of the National Unionist Party and supported the first military takeover of power in Sudan.
ReplyDeleteTreason..?
Or 'justifiable' of course because it was made by 'Egypt' and in 'Egypt's' interest (like the 1959 Agreement and the illegal occupation of Halayeb)
"No Political movements are allowed to take money from foreign Secret Service Agency" except in Sudan...
ReplyDeleteThe Sources are British & Israeili ... Your man was taught in Oxford ,does he have the courage to deny those in public?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO .....and why is that because he knows how credible "official released documents are "...
It is about time for everyone in Sudan to know who are working "For" & "Against" our poeple...
Good luck
Yes he had vehemently denied all the allegations.
DeleteBut assuming he even still has contacts with Israel, how would that be working against your people since you are the beneficiaries of your close strategic, military and economic links with Israel?
Or is only Egypt allowed to have links and ties to Israel?
Your relations with Israel .. led to this effect to my people
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We are suffering in an endless Diaspora, due to short vision, selfishness, lack of patriotic sense from all of the Sudanese politicians for the past decades ..Moreover , the ones who got "PAID"...!!!!!
Egypt with Israel relation that didn't lead to dispercing its population on the five continents ....Did Israelis they accuse any of their leaders of taking money ?!! Nooooooooo
Your people...?
ReplyDeleteYour people...??
And who would 'your people' be??
No the Umma Party's relations with Israel did not lead to Sudan's split and all its problems, foolish leaders who emulated Egypt's 'centralism' and 'Arabism' were the cause of this...
The funny thing about you guys is how you protest South Sudanese, Ethiopian and Sudanese ties with Israel when you're Israel's biggest beneficiary in the region!
My people .. all Sudanese are my people .. you are not the only Sudanese with your party ...
DeleteMy family is all over the globe due the long endless civil war ... Nothing should be said after , YOU enjoy the wealth, money , land ... We are divided now more than never , and still the worst is coming ....
So tell me, where in Sudan are you from?
ReplyDeleteWhat's your tribe and clan?
You're full of it.
So , you & your movement want to be the only ones speaking on behalf of the Sudanese ..
DeleteWhat makes me think that you are not an Israeili ??
Send me your email and I will send you my full contact details after checking yours...
Another war has started ... The land is lost , nothing will be the same ... Other refugees are on the way now :((((
Tribe & Clan , this is what got us here ....
Israeli? : )
ReplyDeleteYou're not Sudanese.
It's obvious.
Tribe and clan and dialect and language, multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic, multi-cultural - this is the mosaic that makes Sudan and that the 'real' Sudanese recognise, this is what Egyptians who love 'centralism' and revel in 'Arabism' are allergic to.
Since you're not Sudanese you are in no place to speak of 'your people' - 'your people' are Egyptians, definitely 'not' the Sudanese.
And who asks for peoples' emails on here?
Creepy...
Usual useless Mahdy philosophy...
DeleteCircles & Circles and bigger circles ... Peolpe dying while you speak and speak of centralised and federal (Mosaic) system !!! Egypt centralized system kept it united since king Mena ... while our federal system failed to keep (US) united for fifty years.. Wars errupted all over the corners of Sudan , people displaced , hunger everywhere, no infrastructure , just looking for neighbors assisstance, tribal interests overcame national interests...Number of people killed and displaced in the past 50 years exceeded the last 5 centuries ... And still bubling those rotten ideas ...
I am Sudanese ... It is not your choice to determine this .. we came to the point that Mahdist deprive others from their national identity ... !!!
You have just proved our assertions of your disrespect towards 'us' and 'our' history, along with your ignorance.
DeleteSaying 'us', apart from being ridiculous will still not entitle you to anything that is found on Sudanese territory.
National identity?
Do you even know what that means?
You are not Sudanese.
ReplyDeleteYou have failed to mention where in Sudan you are from and that is a clear giveaway, do you know where your roots are from..?
Keep typing from your your keyboard, and keep living in your bubble...
Egypt is definitely not in a good state today and judging from how the elections are shaping up the future looks bleak.
Anyone who claims that the Mahdist philosophy is useless knows 'nothing' about Sudan.
Good luck centralising even more and more, forcing your Copts and other minorities into more antagonistic, backward systems...
Tribe and clan and dialect and language, multi-ethnic, multi-linguistic, multi-cultural - this is the mosaic that makes Sudan and that the 'real' Sudanese recognise, this is what Egyptians who love 'centralism' and revel in 'Arabism' are allergic to.
Since you're not Sudanese you are in no place to speak of 'your people' - 'your people' are Egyptians, definitely 'not' the Sudanese.
Pffffffffff... Told u connect to me via my email to check that I & U are Sudanese , u didn't want .. What can I do ?? Post my picture for you ...!!
DeletePhilosophy & circles .. bigger circles , more philosophy .. that's it ...
If your system failed to keep us united for 50 years , let's go for centralized , YOU FAILED TO ARGUE ANY OF THE EVIDENCE THAT I MENTIONED and- as usual Mahdist standard discussion- went into the tiny miny detail of clan and tribe to deflect the attention of everyone from the main subject ... Don't they teach new techniques ?!!
NOOOOO , we are divided more than ever , killed from each other more than anyone killed us , "diaspora"( You will sure like this word from YOUR friends) is an evidence , no infrastructure- healthcare -education, tribal interests overcame national interests :((((.
Argue this , if you can !!
You're not Sudanese.
DeleteYou've not said where in Sudan you're from.
I've stated that I'm a Nubian Sudanese.
Speaking as an 'Egyptian' on behalf of Sudan is ridiculous.
Asking for peoples' emails on here is plain creepy...
If you know anything about Sudan you would know that it was 'centralism' and 'Arabism' that antagonised the periphery into rebellion during General Abboud's regime, which Nasser disgustingly supported in order to get the inequitable 1959 Agreement through.
Have you ever even been to Sudan?
No.
If not provide the evidence that you have.
Ignorance upon ignorance upon presumption is all that you have...
'We' the Sudanese and 'you' being an Egyptian are not the same thing, we were forced into your entity by force and we regained our emancipation by force and we will 'never' be one thing.
Let's see where your centralism, narrow-mindedness and cultural chauvinism gets your country in 10 years time.
Circle ... Bigger circles.. And .. Bigger circles....
DeleteIf you say that you are a Nubian Sudanese , then , that's it ?!!!
It is turning to a rediculous discussion !!
"..'centralism' and 'Arabism' ..." ... That's Sudan problems from your perception..!!
Is this what led to this "....we are divided more than ever , killed from each other more than anyone killed us , "diaspora"( You will sure like this word from YOUR friends) is an evidence , no infrastructure- healthcare -education, tribal interests overcame national interests...."..?!!!
Look for the word "Superficial" ...
War has Re-started one week ago ...
I've said where I'm from, where are 'you' from...??
DeleteYou're not Sudanese so referring to the Sudanese and the Egyptians in the first person plural is nonsensical and smacks of ignorance.
And speaking of ignorance anyone who knows anything about Sudan knows that 'Centralism' and 'Arabism' were the bane of our national unity and were antithetical to managing the 'ethnic, linguistic, cultural and religious' diversity of the Sudanese - something that someone as narrow-minded as yourself, cannot appreciate.
Then again you're an ignoramus so why should I expect any different.
Yes there is fighting over Heglig that will run its eventual course.
The funniest thing is the Egyptian offer of mediation, do they still think that the Southerners will construct the Jonglei Canals..?
The Southerners are taking them for a ride.
Egypt which occupies Halayeb is in no position to mediate anything that concerns Sudan and this is the popular Sudanese view.
So, where are you from again...?
More than 10 years ago, i saw an ambulance driver checking man laying on the ground's ID before taking him in the car!!!
DeleteThe IQ of most of our politicians is below average , talking about "Centralism - Arabism " and wishing for mediation efforts to fail , letting their people spreading these rotten ideas in cyber space..
"..The Southerners are taking them for a ride.." , you are Nubian mahdist speaking on behalf of the Southerners officials , nice to hear about that .!!
what Jonglei has to do with it ? Or Halayeb ??
Heglig vs Halayeb : Heglig definitly surpasses (Victims- Refugees - Money losses).
One of the best quotes by @Usamah Mohd on twitter:
"دولة على حافة الانهيار والعالم كله معاديها ومعاقبها، تدخل في حرب وكمان بقولو ليك الما معانا في الحرب دي حنعتبره ضدنا! #السودان #عته_سياسي"
( You should check his ID also)
Centralism - Arabism...!!!PFFFFFFFFFFF
Nice try but should look for something else to tell younger generations when they start asking why did we fail to keep a united Sudan after independance which lasted for 50 years only!!!
Where did you say you were from..?
ReplyDeleteThere is no 'we' between a Sudanese like myself and an Egyptian like you.
And yes 'Arabism' and 'Centralism' is the bane of Sudanese nationhood and all of the foolish older generation who copied Nasser are to blame, as well as his interference in Sudan's affairs and sabotage of Sudanese democracy which was always dominated 'through the ballot box by........
Mahdists, Ansar and the Umma Party.
And for your information the Umma Party, particularly as-seyyid Mubarak Al-Mahdi's faction enjoy excellent relations with the Southern Sudanese, I was in Juba myself and we discussed many issues including Jonglei.
Before Muhammad Ali's invasion we were peoples who were intermarrying and slowly getting to know one another and gelling.
Cairo's obsession with its larger mission 'used us' for gold, negroid foot soldiers and maintaining a presence in the Upstream Nile....and Cairo's mentality has not undertaken any serious revision more than 200 years later.
Jonglei has everything to do with anything Egypt does towards Sudan or South Sudan because Jonglei is Egypt's obsession and life-life and 'we' and the Southern Sudanese are united in our rejection of it and of the 1959 Agreement and of Egypt's historical positions towards Sudan and Ethiopia.
Halayeb has everything to do with any pathetic attempts by Egypt to mediate between Sudan and South Sudan because firstly both sides know that all Egypt cares about is Jonglei and secondly 'faqid
alshey2 la ya36eeh' - how can a country which illegally and forcibly occupies a part of Sudan and refuses to go to international arbitration mediate...?
It's logic.
Egypt's forcible, unilateral occupation of Halayeb is an affront to all the Sudanese, and that Egyptians criticise everything that Mubarak did apart from it is telling and we will never, ever, ever allow the issue of Halayeb's sovereignty to go, across the generations.
When the Spring returns to Sudan we won't have this kind of nonsense and quickly may it come.
It is all about Mahdiya "Vendetta" ..!! Not about Sudan , you allied with Israel and collaborated with their secret service just to get back to Egypt !! and willing to sacrifice the remaining of Sudan just for that ..
DeleteHeglig vs Halayib : Heglig surpasses .. but for El-mahdi ... sure not !!!
"..'Arabism' and 'Centralism' .. Nasser ..Mohamed Ali..." ... same circles and bigger circles and bigger circles .. We have a below average politicians IQ, what this has to do with Heglig & Abyeii???????????????
I am talking present & future and you are getting back to the nineteenth century !!!
Moreover , I didn't hear that Southerners refused Egypt's mediation ... They are practically the only ones on the ground now !! You really which they fail and want me to believe that you are Sudanese .. pffffffffff
Southerners officials which you claim have good relations with , attacked Heglig to be in a better status while discussing Abyeii ....
"..When the Spring returns to Sudan .." , when was that ? You are not Sudanese for sure ..or probably , one of the millions who left long time ago and made it abroad ...
1959 agreement was called Egypt & Sudan agreement: one of its results was the increase of Sudan water share from 4 Billion liters cube to 18.5 Billions .. !!
Who said that we didn't benifit from it, except your people !! You want to get to 1929 agreement , okay but should wait for 20 years more for war to end ...
Circle .. Circles and bigger circles ...
Waist of time ..
Sorry Zeinobia ...
You want to think of me as not being Sudanese because of my intellect and eloquence and because of my independent thinking.
ReplyDeleteLet it be known to you and all that there are many, many, many Sudanese who share my views outside of the Mahdist / Ansari / Umma camp.
Where did you say you were from again...?
Was Muhammad Ali an 'Arabist'? : )
You don't even know your own history!
The SPLM is fighting the NCP through Heglig in a negative-sum game since both sides are economically crippling each other.
And the SPLM attack on Heglig was very foolish and they have no international support, not even from the United States, so they are happy to hold onto Egyptian overtures of mediation to give them some sort of standing and legitimacy.
They know how to push Egypt's buttons through the Jonglei mirage which neither they, nor we support.
Halayeb has everything to do with any pathetic attempts by Egypt to mediate between Sudan and South Sudan because firstly both sides know that all Egypt cares about is Jonglei and secondly 'faqid
alshey2 la ya36eeh' - how can a country which illegally and forcibly occupies a part of Sudan and refuses to go to international arbitration mediate...?
It's logic.
Egypt's forcible, unilateral occupation of Halayeb is an affront to all the Sudanese, and that Egyptians criticise everything that Mubarak did apart from it is telling and we will never, ever, ever allow the issue of Halayeb's sovereignty to go, across the generations.
When was the last Spring in Sudan?
The last Spring in Sudan was in 1986 when free and fair elections were staged and Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi was elected as Prime Minister.
And a new Spring awaits...
It is not about vendettas it's about hot nations all over the world engage.
It is about a present that is built on past inequity and injustice.
It's about us having enough of this,
Of your provocative interpretation of our history,
Of your sense of entitlement to our land and resources and
of your justification of Mubarak's illegal, unilateral occupation of Halayeb and your refusal to take the dispute to International Arbitration, whilst you did the same with *Israel* which you then accuse us of colluding with!
The Spring is coming and what a sweet Spring it will be!
Too true.
DeleteThey can't believe that a Sudanese person would dare to not toe the Egyptian line and sing Egypt's praises and be dialectically subservient to Egypt.
Proves how little they do know.
Their mass thinking when it comes to Egypt's foreign affairs / role, at least the people on here is chillingly Orwellian.
Mubarak .. is past ,
ReplyDeleteMohmamed ali.. is past,
Nasser .. is past,
Halayeb should be solved .. with a main positive advantage that Sudanese army didn't fight with Egyptian army , Heglig surpasses !!!
From where you live , you probably didn't see El-bashir visit today in kurdufan ... His speach full of hate towards Southerners , undermining their intelligence ... but one thing for sure he reiterated the Israeili influence on all the actions ...( No wonder why , you both are in good terms) ...
I believe in the dream that we lost following our independance after the war errupted .. This is my spring , a "UNITED SUDAN" ..
What was El-mahdi achievements as a Pm .... NOTHING ... Absolute nothing ....
Mahdiya .. Circles .. Bigger circles ...and ... Bigger circles ..
"..the Jonglei mirage which neither they, nor we support.." ... who are this "WE"??? , you pretend that you speak on behalf of the South and represent North in same time :)))
Waist of time , we are stuck in the nineteenth century , we need to move the twenty first ...
You are making fun from all of us in cyber space ... They know that we killed each other for the past 50 years more than any one else did to us.. Refugees are pounding each corner of the universe...International war crime tribunal has probably Sudan the most important client for the past decade.. The portraying of Southerner citizen in the north could only interpreted with one word "Racism"...Tribal interests have overcome national interests .. Politicians loyality for international entities more than Sudanese indentity...
Pfffffffff
I've had the balls to say where I come from - unlike you....
ReplyDeleteAnd I've said that I've been to Juba and 'we' Northerners and Southerners discussed Jonglei and agreed that it was not for our interests so it should be shelved, and this is the official position of the Government of South Sudan.
Apart from not saying where you are from, you haven't been to Sudan as evidenced by your ignorant assertions that Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi achieved 'nothing' as a Prime Minister.
And what of Sudan's achievements and development do you know......apart from broad brushed statements???
Muhammad Ali is past but his legacy remains in your ignorant attitudes of entitlement towards Sudan and her resources,
Nasser is past but his Godforsaken Dam which is the 'worst' example of transboundary harm and negative-sum hydro-engagement remains and 'you' remain its beneficiaries and 'we' remain its victims,
Mubarak is past but his legacy in the Egyptian arrogance and intransigence over taking Halayeb to international arbitration, just like it did with your strategic partner Israel remains...
If you knew anything about Mahdists / Ansar / the Umma Party you would know that we despise Sudan's criminal President so bringing him up gives a lot away about your mentality - his ideas are repugnant, yet you latch onto his scare-mongering over your strategic partner Israel...
Where did you say you were from..??
Come on, say it, say it...don't be ashamed, don't be scared....spill the fava beans...
"..You are making fun from all of us in cyber space ... They know that we killed each other for the past 50 years more than any one else did to us.. Refugees are pounding each corner of the universe...International war crime tribunal has probably Sudan the most important client for the past decade.. The portraying of Southerner citizen in the north could only interpreted with one word "Racism"...Tribal interests have overcome national interests .. Politicians loyality for international entities more than Sudanese indentity...
Delete..." Pffffffffffffff
Circles ... Bigger Circles ... And... Bigger circles ...
Talking about important issue and you diverting to other not relevant to importance or time ...This what it is all about ... Didn't you hear that Sudanese problems have become international cases that everyone is speaking about now in the entire world , you still in your 19 century ..PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
I know Mahdist & Umma Party very well ( http://www.dohainstitute.org/Home/Details/5d045bf3-2df9-46cf-90a0-d92cbb5dd3e4/d95fc031-ae32-436b-b1d9-0ebd57aadbc9#aa2 ) ... They are not repersenting my league yesterday .. today .. and .. tommorow ...
Waist of time, i offered you an email to make direct contact and u still moving in your circles ..circles ..
Pffffffffffffff
What about today's Bashir speech in Kurdufan .. or probably they didn't put it on air yet where you are??!!
Common Sudanese attittude , when someone starts speaking about "OUR" problems , we throw the " You don't know much about Sudan and its diversity .. should go study first and then come back ".. Usually , they don't come back and go directly to the International court ...
ReplyDeleteWhen the world was helping Bosnia , did they ask them to go through its history first.?? Stopping bloodshed is the urgent issue ... Useless philosophy it is what's done now...
We failed to gain our regional position according to our capacities ... We failed .. We simply failed .. and should stop blamming others for OUR failure ...
Why do our neighbors don't know much about us ? because simply ... we failed ...we failed ...
Are we the only deversified country in the world ?? NO ..NO ...NO ..
But we failed again to put our national interests above our tribal ones ...And still going in same way , when you meet someone the first question even before his name ..is to which tribe does he belong to ?? and then the list of projections come from the memory .. each has his own believes about others ..
Is is so hard ... "We failed"...
What about Bashir's speech?
ReplyDeleteAre we his supporters?
'We' monitor everything he does and the rhetoric is typically him and if you knew anything about the Mahdists / Ansar / Umma Party you would know that we abhor him.
Are you sick?
Why on God's good Earth would I ever email someone like you?
Who are you?
Where are you from...?
You're an ignoramus who knows nothing about Sudan and who makes allegations against the Umma Party of having 'secret' relations that led to nothing with your cherished strategic partner 'Israel' which receives your gas at discounted prices and with which you have economic relations through the QIZ amongst other agreements and because of whom you receive copious US economic and military aid and US investment and IMF loans.....
Everything we have stated regarding our rejection of the sense of entitlement Egyptians feel they have towards Sudan,
Their glorification of our enemy Muhammad Ali and his dynasty,
Their glorification of the despicable High Dam and its engineer Nasser that is the 'worst' example in the world of transboundary harm and negative-sum hydro-engagement,
Their ignorance of Sudanese affairs and the inequity of the 1959 Agreement and our support of the new Nile Basin Cooperative Framework Agreement,
Our utter rejection of Egypt's double standard in handling the Halayeb dispute by defending its illegal, unilateral military occupation and not going to international arbitration the same way it did with its strategic partner Israel,
Their silence at the fate of the Sudanese civil society leaders from Halayeb who are incarcerated in Egyptian prisons and Sheikh Hasaay who was tortured to death...
All the above stand 'true'.
And going back to the post, Dr Abul Futouh should definitely be smarter than to think that Egypt would have prevented the referendum in South Sudan !
That is completely insulting.
So...where are you from again?
Again for people who don't read :
ReplyDelete"..Common Sudanese attittude , when someone starts speaking about "OUR" problems , we throw the " You don't know much about Sudan and its diversity .. should go study first and then come back ".. Usually , they don't come back and go directly to the International court ...
When the world was helping Bosnia , did they ask them to go through its history first.?? Stopping bloodshed is the urgent issue ... Useless philosophy it is what's done now...
We failed to gain our regional position according to our capacities ... We failed .. We simply failed .. and should stop blamming others for OUR failure ...
Why do our neighbors don't know much about us ? because simply ... we failed ...we failed ...
Are we the only deversified country in the world ?? NO ..NO ...NO ..
But we failed again to put our national interests above our tribal ones ...And still going in same way , when you meet someone the first question even before his name ..is to which tribe does he belong to ?? and then the list of projections come from the memory .. each has his own believes about others ..
Is is so hard ... "We failed"...
".....
And more ...
Why didn't our officials take Halayeb unilateral Egyptian occupation to international court ... because simply,... we failed ...
Why didn't Sudanese successive governments tackle our Sudanese Nubians deported because of Aswan high damn with Egyptian authorities, even El-Mahdi as PM ??!! Because simply ...we failed ...
Is it only the fault of our military criminel governments ... No ... Opposition parties and leaders failed ...failed ..
Opposition throughout the world succeeded to get international recognition for their causes ... Our opposition simply ..failed..
Is it so hard to understand ?!!
Low IQ people : When they see people fighting & killing each others in the streets tend to ask for their names first.
ReplyDeleteLow IQ people: When they see people fighting & killing each others in the streets tend to tell you stories about their grand-grand father while you watch them killing each other.
Low IQ people: when they see people fighting & killing each others in the streets , urge people who want to help to stop & study the full history of the people fighting & then help.
Low IQ people : When they see people fighting in the streets & killing each other , they start talking about a robbery accident which occurred 60 years ago to distract everyone attention while killings continue.
Low IQ people : When they see people fighting in the streets & killing each other , start blaming others for their consistent failures .. and forget that now everything is known and when you don't have any achievements , you should not throw rocks to others.
"Paid" people sum all of the above...
Now we're getting somewhere ' they and you'.
ReplyDeleteI told you there was no 'us'.
So which 'opposition' are you talking about?
The Wafd which has a disgusting sense of entitlement towards Sudan?
The MB which is the same...?
Khedives, Military men and civilians - all 'we' Sudanese have seen from 'you' is disappointingly the same thing over a period spanning 'more' than half a Century.
And try and have some logic in the parallels you draw - the interventionists in Bosnia never claimed to have a 'sense of entitlement' to it in the same way 'you' claim sense of entitlement to 'us' - that was Muhammad Ali's rotten legacy.
If you know anything you would know that Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi and democratic governance in Sudan was always sabotaged...with Egypt's backing.
He set out the Covenant of Brotherhood calling for a new paradigm in Sudanese-Egyptian relations and set the wheels in motion for a new dialogue on the Nile but was cut short whenthe current buffoon took over power and which was the first country to support him.......?
YOUR Egypt.
So...where are you from????
Wafd .. You are totally lost...
DeleteEgypt's backed "Torabi" to emprisone "Sadiq El-Mahdi" his brother in law!!!..
What did u have for breakfast ?!!
I didn't get near Sudanese/Egyptian relations ,I am only interested in Sudanese/Sudanese ,this is the PRIORITY , didn't you read the previous "IQ" reply ( PLS read)..
Again , it is such attitudes that make fun of us in cyber space... The sun is in the middle of the sky and they speak about the moon ..
Useless circles..and bigger circles...and bigger circles...
For the ones who don't understand ( Circles...and bigger circles ) , read the comments on Al-sadiq Al-mahdi speech in the following link ( http://www.hurriyatsudan.com/?p=60784#comment-64016) ... Spear your time and read the comments below and you will get the useless usual mahdist philosophy...
DeleteThey are claiming that they are against " The Bouffon" who is in power now ... but guess what ... who is the BUFFON Top assistant ? It is the SON of Al-sadiq Al-mahdi ..!!!
Who imprisoned Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi and stole his "SPRING" for Sudan ? It was his brother in law "El-Torabi"..!!!!
It is time for this "Family Business" to end ....
Low IQ politicians thought that by supporting division ideas that would get them an easy control on what's remaining of the land ....
Today the 25th of April 2012, the first batch of Sudanese POW were released from Juba and arrived to Cairo to be transfered to Khartoum... We ( All Sudanese from North & South ) , should be gratefull for the sincere efforts that the Egyptian foreign minister (who has been subject to a lot of critisim by some ignorants for his remarks on Libyan issues)exerted ...
ReplyDeleteThough , the situation in Egypt is hazy , Egyptian FM decided to take the lead and mediated for peace restoration...
Still a lot to be done , we pray for all efforts to succeed and for OUR people to understand that Sudan's division will only lead to similar wars yesterday - today & tommorow...
And did you see what the official response of the Sudan Armed Forces Spokesman was?
DeleteObviously not because you're an ignoramus.
He said these aren't prisoners of war, they are abductees...
Everyone knows why Egypt is doing this, to coddle up to Khartoum and Juba because of its water insecurity which is based on inequity...
All 'we' Sudanese know that Juba is taking advantage of Egyptian mediation efforts in order to grant itself some type of legitimacy after the drubbing it got from the UN Sec Gen, the EU and even the US...
Egypt's Foreign Ministry finds time to 'mediate' a prisoner swap between Juba and Khartoum during this 'transitional period' yet it does not find time to seriously discuss Halayeb's sovereignty...?
The real discussions and negotiations take place in Addis Ababa, with Egypt at the sidelines, where it belongs.
Schizo - you are not Sudanese...
ReplyDeleteYou lack basic information...
The 1989 Coup was purely military to the whole world, no one knew it was Islamist until it was entrenched in power months later...
Who gave international support to the soldiers overthrowing the legitimate democratically elected government led by Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi?
Egypt.
No one is responding to you.
Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi's intellectual accumen is internationally recognised and it just kills you inside that he is so intelligent whilst not towing the Egyptian line...
And Dr Turabi is similar in that he does not fawn to Egypt...
It's 'buffoon' not 'buffon'...
Yes Al-Amir AbdelRahman was nominated as an Assistant to the President in order to 'advise' him.
Al-Amir AbdelRahman is not an active Umma Party member and the Umma Party is a vital part of the civil opposition.
What exactly is your point..?
Who consistently supported military takeovers of power in Sudan and the miscarriage of Democracy...?
Egypt.
I told you we will never let Halayeb go - even the 'buffoon's' party is on the same boat as 'us':
http://www.alahramsd.com/ah_news/30208.html
So - where are you from...?
When "YOUR" son is the right arm of a tyran ..
ReplyDeleteWhen "YOUR" brother in law is behind the coup d'etat that took you to prison ..
Nothing could be said after ..
Mahdiya are part of the past and should be kept there ..
"..We will never let go Halayeb ..".....Totally agree ..
But meantime we should get back Fashqa occupied by Ethiopia , why are Mahdiya selective about that ?!!!
We failed in the course of Halayeb ... in our consistent course of failure.. We were offered a referendum on Halayeb in 2007 and refused it !! We had the chance to make the appropriate international conditions for that but refused !!
Could you tell the Buffon aid to start re-discussing this referendum issue again better than winding about a lost chance..
This is the perfect time while the Egyptians are the only successfull mediators on the ground now for the current war... It is time to talk sense or shut-up for ever ...
Meantime , if "YOUR" people are sincere about Sudanese soil integrity they should speak about Fashqa and Ethiopian occupation "Ya Tayeb"..
Provide proof that you offered a referendum on Halayeb that was rejected - stop lying.
ReplyDeleteThe Mahdiyya is the pride and glorious past, it is the entrenched present and the future promise of Sudan, something that only 'we' Sudanese can appreciate.
Why are you so ashamed about saying where you come from?
Oh so Bashir is a tyrant now...?
Was he not a tyrant when he overthrew a civilian, democratically, elected government with 'your' support..?
You are so not used to democracy...
Al-Amir AbdelRahman's 'advisory' capacity in the Presidency has been the source of much unease in the Umma Party, and the faction that is led by As-seyyid Mubarak Al-Mahdi, which is the most popular faction with the youth and the closest one to the South, is against it...
The Fashqa is not an open-air prison, Sudanese citizens are not detained and imprisoned without charges and tortured to death in Ethiopian prisons because of it.
Much of the international boundary between Sudan and Ethiopia was not delimited, however it has not witnessed 'an occupation' and the transformation of a section of it into an open-air prison like Halayeb...
You are the selective ones by condemning everything Mubarak did apart from his unilateral, illegal occupation of Halayeb.
Sudan's international boundary with Ethiopia has never witnessed the flooding of Sudanese land, for Ethiopia's benefit, like what Egypt under Nasser did with the Godforsaken High Dam....
Sudan's international boundary with Ethiopia is a focal point of interests: people and goods flow freely - this could not be more difference in Egypt's case.
So stop lying.
'Ya tayeb' - this means gullible and stupid to you, just like how you portray Nubians and Sudanese people in your films - sorry to tell you we don't fit into that stereotype.
"Proof that Egyptians offered referendum.." ...!!! Forget about that ,please make YOUR buffon aid suggest this to the Egyptians , this is the best time ...or otherwise .. you will be winding about it for the next couple of centuries ... PFFFFFFFFFF , the Egyptians said this several times , you don't have arabic newspapers where you are :)))
ReplyDeleteJust because Fashqa people - in your mind - move freely , WE SHOULD NOT ASK FOR IT BACK ?!! What type of logic and what does this has to do with ongoing trade?? ..
For some , Sudanese soil integrity is UN-discussable , we gave a lot already due to low IQ politicians and not ready to give more ...
The Aswan damn is another example of OUR failure , government & opposition ... Just tell me why did even OUR opposition failed to take the case internationally .. Others , have taken their cases internationally ... OUR opposition though they lived & were educated in the west failed ...And why is that??? Because simply they careless about the people , they are only after their personal interests & vendetta.... The only effort to tackle the case was Mahjoub novel "Nubian indigo" few years ago and that's it ..that's it ...that's it ... And guess what? did we even promote it ? NOOOOOOOOOOO ... Did YOUR Ummah party promote it ?? Of course not ...
Abdel Rahman Al-mahdi position is opposed by Ummah party ...and what ??!! I care less about Abdel Rahman , though he was at a time fighting for the party , it is the old man that i am against.
Our consistent failure should end by adopting new strategy with new ideology and NEW LEADERS ...
We failed to keep a UNITED SUDAN for 50 years and had a civil war for another 45 years ... That's simply the truth ... and you are talking about boundary and trade and flooding ...PFFFFFFFFF
You are making fun of us in cyber space...
Your lack of eloquence, poor spelling and use of expressions such as PFFFFFFFF only enhance your ignorance.
ReplyDeleteYou refuse to say where you're from.
You lack basic facts about Sudan.
You blindly defend Egyptian positions which most non-Egyptians (and even some Egyptians) admit as having 'failed' vis-a-vis Sudan and the Nile Basin in Africa.
You make assertions without providing any evidence.
And you lie - 'we'?
Where there are Sudanese and Egyptians, there is no 'we'.
And when the Spring returns to Sudan once more on a tide of Mahdist, Ansari support you'll sober up.
"..poor spelling and use of expressions such as ..." , sorry but I was not educated in Britain and my family financial status in Sudan is out of YOUR league..
Delete"..defend Egyptian positions ..." ... what does this have to do with Ethiopian Fashqa occupation and our politicians doing NOTHING for the deported nubians after Aswan High damn except winding about it for decades ???
Should I tell you more : Your Inlaw ( Torabi ) is primarily blamed for the current situation in Halayeb ... He and the Buffon were behind the stupid plot to assassinate the ousted Mubarak in 1995 and guess what Mubarak retaliated by occupying Halayeb .. Why don't we tell everyone that we had OUR Sudanese troops till 1995 in Halayeb & Shalateen and we are paying the usual price for decisions taken by low IQ politicians ... This is the truth , that should not be hidden anymore ...
Should we let go Halayeb , of course not , but with same logic Fashqa ... And make whoever put us in this stupid position pay for it , and whoever advise him should be also on the list...
"..Spring returns to Sudan .." , You are talking about OUR Sudan that we failed to keep united for 50 years and fought ourselves all of the time ... PFFFFFFFFFF
I told you , it is such ideologies that make fun of us in cyber space ...
The region is changing and so should we .....
Where in Sudan are you from???
ReplyDeleteAn ignoramus, impostor and a liar.
Which region...?
Sudan's experience in civilian, democratic governance were all hijacked by Egypt, Mubarak's Egypt...
Had Egypt not undermined Sudan's democracies for its short-term purposes, Egypt's long-term interests would have been better served.
But what do 'you' have today..???
Resentment at the 1959 Agreement (from Sudan and Ethiopia and other Upstream States)
Bitter resentment at the unacceptable, unilateral, illegal occupation of Halayeb
Unanimous rejection of Egypt's sense of entitlement to anything Sudanese - the eternal motto of Al-Imam AbdelRahman Al-Mahdi rings true 'Sudan for the Sudanese'.
So - where are you from...?
I offered my email for direct contact to make sure that I am Sudanese and you refused...
DeleteWhere exactly I am from .. Looks that I also failed to let you understand the right concept , due to the fact that we are divided now more than never and that our tribal interests have overcome any Sudanese interests or identity that we might have , I advise you to read the blog " I have no tribe I am Sudanese" ... It is against all the rotten ideologies that kept us fighting for half a century and will keep us for another 50 years..
I am from a part that is probably on the next checklist that your Ummah party will give away in order to decrease the size of the country that once existed in order to fit for Mahdiya ruling .....
Still the truth that you didn't dare denying : Halayeb , YOUR inlaw provoqued the ousted Mubarak, YOUR buffon refused the referendum in 2007 , the buffon aid is YOUR Abdel Rahman Al-Mahdi , the one who ended your spring dream for Sudan is YOUR inlaw , YOUR party did nothing for Nubian case , YOUR party is selective talking about Halayeb and forgetting Fashaqa...
And you know what , even your talk about 1959 agreement should end because we increased our share from 4 Billions to 18 Billions ... We don't want to get back to 1929 agreement , do we ?? We conspirated with the Egyptians and got the rights of all the Nile basin countries .. Yes the current frame work for Nile Basin countries is a step in the right directions but should be amended by international laws and regulations.. It is the 21st century , but I guess you wouldn't know because you are still living in the glorious 19th century of yours ...
I told you you are making fun of us in cyber space ,
Please Stop ,
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My advise for all Sudanese to go on twitter and search for hachtag " #newSUDANS " ...
ReplyDeleteWe've drowned in a lot of the rotten ideologies which kept us in the 19th century and we became divided more than ever and fought ourselves since we got the independance ...
All this should stop ...
The ones who were part of the crime against Sudan & Sudanese could not be a part of the solution ...!!!
Why should I email you?
ReplyDeleteSay it here in public. Go on...
You know nothing about Nile Basin hydro-politics - Sudan voted in favour of the 1997 United Nations Convention on the Non-Navigational Uses of International Watercourses.
The Sudanese opposition and 'WE' Mahdists are against the 1959 Agreement, as are the Southerners.
'Your' Egypt hijacked Sudanese democracy but those days are long gone.
'Your' Egypt undermined Umma Party democratic governance three times.
'Your' Egypt is universally reviled amongst Nile Basin States.
So...where in Sudan are you from?????
Come on, spit it out!
You're not Sudanese and will never be Sudanese.
You're an Egyptian and there is no 'we' between the Sudanese and Egyptians.
Though , I hate this attitude and thought that you might have a higher IQ than YOUR leaders when I told you that I am from a part on the next checklist that you are willing to give away ...
ReplyDeleteI am originally from Darfur and my family is living in Khartoum ... Hope that you are now sitting back on your chair ...
You want to talk sense or keep on with the silly circles ?!!
I am speaking about truth that you don't dare denying :
"... Halayeb , YOUR inlaw provoqued the ousted Mubarak, YOUR buffon refused the referendum in 2007 , the buffon aid is YOUR Abdel Rahman Al-Mahdi , the one who ended your spring dream for Sudan is YOUR inlaw , YOUR party did nothing for Nubian case , YOUR party is selective talking about Halayeb and forgetting Fashaqa..."....
And as usual you are speaking about Hydro politics ...!!!!!
I told you stop , you are making fun of us in Cyber space ... a lot of youth in my age have started to understand (#newSUDANS ) ... You keep pulling us down to YOUR 19th century and again who are you to speak on behalf of the Southerners.?!!!
I even have a great doubt that you are not Sudanese !!!
The region is changing and so should we ...
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Whereabouts in Darfur?
ReplyDeleteWhich tribe?
What language do your people speak?
I don't believe you.
No Darfuri would ever say PFFFF or refer to their person by using reference to the Nile.
Darfur is not within the Nile Basin and Darfur is replete with its own natural characteristics which 'real' Darfuris are proud of.
What do you know of Darfur's role in the Mahdiyya?
You're an Egyptian impostor.
You're knowledge of Sudan and Sudanese affairs is scant.
Shameless liar I now respect you even less, if that is at all possible.
What do you know about the New Sudan..?
Your generation?!
How old are you?
You think I'm not Sudanese because I don't tow the Egyptian line and believe in Egypt's sense of entitlement or delusions of grandeur, just like many other Sudanese and all Ansaris and Mahdists.
"..No Darfuri would ever say PFFFF ...Darfur is not within the Nile Basin ..."..... can you show me the book where they say what Darfuri say or won't say ...and please don't tell me the truth that my parents kept hiding that Darfur is not in the Nile Basin ... You really had me this time ..
DeleteWhich tribe ..language ??? Either you know that I am not married and will offer me a bride ...or.. simply you don't know that Google exists and I can give you even REAL names for at least 10 people who live in Khartoum and originally from Darfur...
Both , shows your IQ average ... YA TAYEB ,I offered my email for DIRECT contact...
"..I don't tow the Egyptian line .." ... This is what it is all about for YOU & YOUR party ... but you don't dare denying the following : ""... Halayeb , YOUR inlaw provoqued the ousted Mubarak, YOUR buffon refused the referendum in 2007 , the buffon aid is YOUR Abdel Rahman Al-Mahdi , the one who ended your spring dream for Sudan is YOUR inlaw , YOUR party did nothing for Nubian case , YOUR party is selective talking about Halayeb and forgetting Fashaqa..."....
Go on twitter and look for the hachtag (#newSUDANS) , you will find a group of young ignoramus, impostor and liars who pretend of being Sudanese and think that they will be better off without YOU , YOUR INLAW , THE BUFFON AID , THE BUFFON HIMSELF ... Go check their ID's :)))))
I told you , you are making fun of us in cyber space ...
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Poor soul, he only views others through the narrow lens of Egyptian, Cairene ascendancy.
DeleteDarfurian in Khartoum - lol!
The only person who's making a fool out of themselves is you.
ReplyDeleteI don't tolerate stupidity, why the hell would I email you?
I'm glad you're learning new vocabulary.
Shameless liar, this dialogue proves what we've said all along, that Egyptians like you know... 'nothing' about Sudan.
So spit it out in public again, just like how you lied and said you were from Darfur - from where in Darfur and what's your tribe and language...?
I would like to thank you for spearing me the time to explain to others the outdated ideologies for Mahdist movement and needless to say Ummah Party ...
DeleteI have shared on the twitter hachtag (#newSUDANS)the link for this debate and got what I wanted ...
In cyber space people would exchange emails .. it is not forbiddenn except by Ansaris ..what would I say more about a movement that proclaims they are against the current ruling regime and their leader's son is his aid !!!! Hypocracy doesn't even fit ...
Now I have better things to do ...
You made fun of YOURSELF ..YOUR PARTY ...in cyber space..
go to (#newSUDANS) ...and start learning before it is too late....
On the occasion of the labor day , enjoy the following (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZbQKy7H_XQ)....
ReplyDeleteSee Sudan map from the minute (1.32) ...and dream for another United peacfull Sudan again...
Hypocrisy = the meaningless words Egyptians like you say about Israel and the strong, strategic, military, intelligence and economic relations you have with it.
ReplyDeleteSudan was at war with itself for most of its history.
And the war was due to Sudan's leaders coddling up to Egypt and following its one-dimensional, anti-plularistic ways.
If you know anything about Sudan, you would know that.
Oh and in the map...where is Halayeb...?
In its rightful place, or should I say its people are in their rightful place with their kith and kin in Sudan.
"..Egyptians like you .." ... We came to the point that YOU will determine if I am or not Sudanese... !!!
ReplyDeleteI told you , YOUR low IQ leaders have my place on the next checklist of their give aways ...
Egypt/Israel ... your completly mentally dis-ordered , didn't I tell you that I am in for Sudanese/Sudanese....
Halayeb ... Please tell your Buffon aid - If he really wants to do anything for his country- to pull the strings and move the case to the international tribunal .... No one would accept military occupation... Or probably his old man ... Or Your inlaw ... Or the Buffon... Or your party ... Anyone , who is accountable of holding a Sudanese identity from your perspective...But stop winding and doing nothing , like your party for half a century now ...
You insist on making fun of yourself in Cyber space ...:)))
Twitter(#newSUDANS)....
"..Sudan was at war with itself for most of its history.
ReplyDeleteAnd the war was due to Sudan's leaders coddling up to Egypt and following its one-dimensional, anti-plularistic ways...." ...
Even YOUR Master or YOUR INLAW didn't ever say this ..!!!!
Don't you think that I was right to think that you are not Sudanese .. Your escape from making direct contact with me ... Your permanent insistance of making fun of us and meaningless ideologies that you are spreading in cyber space...Being selective while talking about problems and avoiding others ...!!!
Even if you are not Sudanese , follow the line & learn : Twitter (#newSUDANS)... and get a better idea on why did we fight each other and still ...
Not only are you ignorant but you're also a shameless liar.
ReplyDeleteYou're insistence on my emailing you is worrying and sick...
Who are you and what are you worth for me to email you?
You can't even spell properly.
Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi has said on many occasions that Egypt hijacked Sudan's democracies three times: in 58, 69 and 89...
There is no 'we'...
Keep a lid on your violent extremist problems and seek your interests with Israel, and we and Ethiopia will continue to rise.
You come in one of the most famous Egyptian blogs : Pretend that you are Sudanese and speaking on behalf of North - South Sudan & Ethiopia , Claim that ALL Sudanese have negative feelings towards Egypt ( Though they see millions passing by their country and living ... It makes us hypocrits) , you claim that you are against Omar Bashir while Abdel Rahman Al-sadiq Al-Mahdi is his aid , you claim that you are for Sudan soil integrity while refusing to do any usefull thing for Halayeb or its people and escape of talking about the positive Ethiopian occupation of Fashaqa ...
ReplyDeleteFrom the start , I knew that you are NOT Sudanese and you kept escaping from the contact proving it...
Internet is full of people like you whose only role is starting such fights ... too bad some eat the bate...
Though that you are not Sudanese... follow (#newSUDANS)on twitter and learn , probably you will do it right next time...
And coming on this blog (myself and other Sudanese) has proven to us how little Egyptians know about Sudan, how outdated their views are and how divergent our respective views of 'each other' in the world are.
ReplyDeleteWhat a feeble attempt at reverse psychology you liar, claiming you're a Darfuri in Khartoum...
It seems that your brain isn't capable of accommodating democracy.
Al-Amir AbdelRahman is the President's advisor on a personal basis, he has no position in the Umma Party and I support as-seyyid Mubarak Al-Mahdi's position on this issue...
Regarding Halayeb we support and are in contact with the Eastern Front, the indigenous peoples of Halayeb who have a long history of customary governance and their calls for international arbitration.
You know nothing about history - if you did you would know that the Sudanese are suspicious of Egypt's claims to Sudan and fed up of its sense of entitlement to it.
A 'Unionist' led parliament (that was on the Egyptian payroll) could not do anything but 'bow to public pressure' and declare independence in 1955...
Of course you wouldn't know that...
You and the owner of this blog are like ostriches hiding your heads in the sand.
Your High Dam is the worst example in modern history of negative-sum hydro-engagement and that much is fact.
There are no open air prisons on the Sudanese-Ethiopian border, like there is in Halayeb which the Egyptian army illegally occupies and that much is fact.
It simply kills you inside to encounter Sudanese who do not tow the Egyptian line, and there have been many - Al-Imam AbdelRahman Al-Mahdi, Muhammad Ahmad Al-Mahjoub, AbdAllah Al-Tayyib Al-Majthoub, Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi.
The dinosaurs who believed like you do that Egypt was something special and was entitled to special things are no longer with us.
You get your information on Sudan from twitter - that says a lot.
Ignorant and delusional.
I had the feeling that you are an Ethiopian , but now I waived out this assumption .. I have a lot of Ethiopian friends and no one has reached this level of ignorance and lives in such a big bubble of lies ...
ReplyDeleteI know some of Ummah party members and heard their ideologies & believes in person and didn't get to this extent ..
Cyber space is full of people like you whose only role is starting such fight .. Though I told you that I am not for Sudanese/Egyptian relations , and that I quite confident that YOU ARE NOT SUDANESE ... And that on twitter , you will find people with their names and professions ( REAL SUADNESE FROM ALL THE CORNERS OF SUDAN...) and it is accountable information source depending on who you follow ... One thing remains here , YOU CLAIMING that all the problems that we are in today and the wars that we are facing are only due to one reason EGYPT , it is completly ignorance ... You should seek help , they are not paying you to be so stupid .. It should be done in a better way...
We Sudanese are suffereing from the lack of leaders with high IQ , they are all after their personal interests and giving excusees for collaborateurs like YOUR Abdel Rahman in their conquest for power .. Al-Mahdi family and his Inlaw have contributed with a big share in the distruction of Modern Sudan ..
I just remember what my father told me that the late leader Guarang when staying in Ethiopia in the eighties from the radio broadcast used to call him ( El Motamahdi ) but you wouldn't know...
I guess that Zeinobia should share your IP address to know from where you are sending your replies ....
No one claimed all of Sudan's problems are Egyptian in origin...
ReplyDeleteOh and Professor Ali whose article we posted is also 'stupid' right..?
The Mahdi family is a red line that you should not cross without giving 'your' details...
People identified key areas where the relationship was a 'failure' due to Egypt's actions, and your pig-headedness prevents you from admitting it.
The things written on this blog about Sudan are ignorant and profess double-standards - Khalid Said is a martyr but Al-Taher Hasaay who was tortured to death for his opposition to Egypt's illegal occupation of Halayeb isn't...
Garang is a hero and he would have won the elections in Sudan if he did not die in Musevini's helicopter.
I guess that Zeinobia should share your IP address to know from where you are sending your replies ....
You think I care...?
This proves what kind of mentality you have and unfortunately reflects the chaotic situation of your country today.
Sudanese are suffereing from the lack of leaders with high IQ
Of course you would say that, it falls in line with the stereotype of us that your media perpetuates...
Egypt-Sudan relations = epic fail.
Egypt-Sudan hydro-engagement = epic win-lose situation.
The sense of entitlement Egyptians like you have towards Sudan = absolutely unacceptable.
And many people think like I do, you'd be well advised to learn to accept opposing views.
This is how Sudanese perceive Al-Sadiq Almahdi , His son & His inlaw .. Read the comments below on the following link (http://www.hurriyatsudan.com/?p=60784#comment-64016)
DeleteThis is how Sudanese perceive Ethiopian occupation and role (http://edp.jigsy.com/entries/general/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B4%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%88%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D9%82%D8%B5%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%AA%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%84-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AB%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A)
This is the racism that some Sudanese are facing from other fellow Sudanese (http://www.hurriyatsudan.com/?p=61157)
They are not Sudanese ?? Are they ??
No red line for Al-mahdi or anyone else ... His time is over , enough what he - his family have done ...
You not even insist on making fun of yourself , your party in cyber space but you spread the idea that WE are inferior to Egyptians and they are moving us back & forth for their own interests and we are only submissive .. This sense of entitelement is absolute bogus like your fake identity ... Why should Egyptians be less ignorant about Sudan ??!! Do we have to do the same about Egypt ?? Who is the mentally dis-ordered person who think so about neighboring countries ..
Aswan damn - Halayeb : No one either from the opposition or the government did anything for both cases ... You want the Egyptians to give you what you ask for while doing nothing ??!!! So funny ...
I was raised to accept several opinion ... Only when they talk sense , silly discussions go beyond my tolerance..
To make you feel better , Darfur was incorporated to Sudan by the country that you are against ( Egypt ).... Why lie about it ??
I have better things to do .. Keep on trying but read first (#newSUDANS)
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The civilian government that was hijacked by Nasser was not going to allow the High Dam to be built on those terms and the Parliamentary archives provide evidence of that.
ReplyDeleteThe opposition, and particularly the Eastern Front, which is part of the government has been consistently mobilising international opinion towards settling the dispute through international arbitration and their official statements and minutes of their conferences provide evidence of that.
Do you know what those people in hurriyat feel about the 4 Freedoms or Egyptian agricultural investment in Sudan..?
You know 'nothing' about Sudan...
Darfur was incorporated by Egypt?
You mean it was incorporated by the British general who rode into Sudan on the back of an Egyptian foot soldier, as Al-Imam AbdelRahman Al-Mahdi said.
FYI Darfur is the region which most supported the Mahdiyya.
When you say you want the Egyptians to give you what you ask for while doing nothing you are implicitly agreeing that what Egypt did and is doing is 'wrong'.
You are morally and logically bankrupt.
And no two States speak of each other in this way in this day and age.
Al-Imam Al-Sadiq won the last free and fair parliamentary elections in Sudan and the Umma Party will win the next ones, whether you like it or not.
Only hypocrites twist facts :
ReplyDelete"...Al-Imam Al-Sadiq won the last free and fair parliamentary elections.." ... Who hijacked the magnificent results for your party ?? .. Nasser ... Egypt ... Of course not ..!!! Your in-law Hassan Torabi did ...
“..Darfur was incorporated by Egypt?”… Yes , and my source is Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darfur)..
“Halayeb” .. nothing was / is done for the past 100 years … You should read when the problem started with Egypt , it was when both countries were under British occupation ..
But wait …
Did we have sovereignty on Halayeb .?? Yes , we did ..
Till when ? From the sixties till 1995 ..!!!
Did we have Sudanese troops in Halayeb & Shalateen ??? Yes , we had …
How many ?? Several hundreds …
What happened in 1995 to provoke ousted Mubarak to engage in Halayeb ?? Should go ask your In-law …
What did the opposition do ?? The usual …nothing…
Quick briefing on Halayeb without any facts twisting…
Do we have other border problems ?? Of course we have ..
With whom ?? Ethiopia – Eritrea…
Are the lands under dispute areas larger than Halayeb triangle ?? Of course ..!!
Why don’t the opposition ever talked about it ?? ….Hmmm, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Who is Omar Al-bashir top aid ?? Abdel Rahman Al-sadiq Al-mahdi ..!!!
But how can he cooperate with a man that has such black history with his father ( Imam Al-ansar)?? ….Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…
Who was praising the supreme success of the Sudanese army over Southerner Sudanese troops ?? Abdel Rahman Al-Mahdi …
But how, his father’s party always claim that they have special relations with the Southerners & mutual cooperation for the past times?? Hmmmmmmmm
“..Darfur is the region which most supported the Mahdiyya..” And you surely are following the footsteps of the movement that was meant to unite Sudan , stay in your 19th century and leave others moving to the 21st century..
And , how my people in Darfur think about Egypt ??? They have more important thing which is how the ruling party and the opposition in Khartoum did/do to them and their coming on the tail of the list of priorities for their OWN PEOPLE..!!!
A lot of Sudanese now think that those rotten parties had their times and should go with their money that they milked from the poor country to live elsewhere … Probably , in Britain where they were all educated …
You insist on making fun of yourself, your party, your movement in cyber space ..
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Dr Turabi had no part in Abboud's coup which Nasser supported in 1958, but being ignorant you would not know that would you...?
ReplyDeleteDr Turabi had no part in the leftist coup which Nasser supported in 1969, but being ignorant 'and' Egyptian you would not know that would you...?
Halayeb is an open air prison.
Its people are not allowed to move freely.
Its people have been denied their Constitutional rights due to the actions of the Mubarak regime that Egyptians like yourself defend, in this instance.
No Sudanese citizen was incarcerated for any border dispute with Ethiopia...
Halayeb has provoked diplomatic spats and statements that 'have not' been reflected in the issue of the undelineated boundary between Sudan and Ethiopia.
These are facts that you cannot deny.
You keep changing your colours and lying, first you accused us of not doing anything for Halayeb and now you're trying to downplay it.
The High Dam is the worst example in the world of asymmetrical benefit / harm in a major hydro-project.
That is a fact that you cannot negate.
Al-Amir AbdelRahman is a military man and whether or not he was the President's advisor, he would have celebrated the restitution of Heglig, because this is a 'national' issue.
Once more you prove your dimwittedness by not being able to accept complexity and duality in all its forms.
Another Presidential advisor is the son of Almirghani who traditionally had close relations with Egypt...
Will you call the Mirghanis hypocrites as well.....?
Your obstinacy in ignorance is astounding.
"Abboud's coup..1958..Leftist coup 1969..." Still living in the past ; Europe fought each other millions died .. They talk unity & future, YOU talk past & division...
ReplyDelete"Halayeb" ... It is an open air prison, what this has to do with the fact that we had sovereignty and a sort of agreement with the Egyptians for 35 years and that hundreds of Sudanese soldiers were there, till a moment when another stupid leader who already drowned Sudan internationally by harboring terrorists on our soil, got us involved in an assassination attempt in a third country that we claim having the best neighboring relations with.!!!
You should broaden your knowledge about Fashaqa and know how many Sudanese farmers were kicked out of their lands and are apprehended of coming back. Even more , why it is not on the list ???Why do we mix our neighboring relations status with our demands ?? Did the UAE ever stopped asking for the 3 islands occupied by Iran even when they are in good terms ?? No .. Did Morocco ever stopped asking for the island occupied by Spain even when they are in good terms ?? Of course not .. Why should we ask for Halayeb or Fashaqa according to our course of relation either with Egypt or Ethiopia .???!!!
“Mirghani” .. Of course he has his place in the queue …
The usual , you are dragging me to talk Sudan/Egypt … the priority now is Sudan/Sudan , when will you understand ??!! We did to us more than any other neighbor did to us …We will be talking for centuries about others and forgetting what we can do !!! We are not the only multi-ethnical country in the world , though we are probably the only one now fighting and killing each other and its leaders found out that the best solution is dividing the land …
“Heglig, … a 'national' issue..”…Should I start with the list of facts .. Or simply ask you : Who got us to this stage ?? One country divided to two countries … in a continuous state of war for half a century …Excuse me but some do believe that killed from both sides are “Sudanese” …
For sometime now , I am talking right & you are pointing to left … Still insisting on making fun of Yourself in Cyberspace and of course Your party when you started by defending Torabi !!!!:)))
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You as an Egyptian citizen justify the invasion of Halayeb based on the fact that a military government that your former dictator " supported " when it took over power against a democratic government, turned against it?
DeleteAt the same time your disgusting Salafi nuts come to Khartoum and congratulate the same oppressive government for its stances against Mubarak, including the attack in Addis Ababa?
Way to go for shooting yourself in the foot.
You ignorantly stated that Dr Turabi undermined Sudan's 'democracies' and I pointed out the fact that it was Egypt that has consistently undermined Sudan's democratic civilian governments in 1958 and 1969.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot twist the facts and change the discussion by pretending to be Sudanese.
Where the topic is Sudanese-Egyptian relations, the conclusion is that they have been an epic fail.
The same can be said for Egypt's African and Nile Basin relations.
That much is undeniable fact.
Halayeb is an open air prison.
Its people are not allowed to move freely.
Its people have been denied their Constitutional rights due to the actions of the Mubarak regime that Egyptians like yourself defend, in this instance.
No Sudanese citizen was incarcerated for any border dispute with Ethiopia...
Halayeb has provoked diplomatic spats and statements that 'have not' been reflected in the issue of the undelineated boundary between Sudan and Ethiopia.
These are facts that you cannot deny.
The High Dam is the worst example in the world of asymmetrical benefit / harm in a major hydro-project.
That is a fact that you cannot negate.
The fact that Nile Basin States are moving beyond Egypt and forming their own legal framework is evidence of Egypt's failed engagement, and we fully support them.
When democracy returns to Sudan, we will have a completely different dialogue.
That much is fact.
"Sudanese Mahdist".."Sudanese Optimist".. Though I am confident that they are both same person and that he is NOT SUDANESE , due to fact that I offered on several occasions the direct contact to reveal who is & who is not Sudanese , But I should tell you that you are going even below my estimated IQ for a person like ...!! Who are starting such fights in the Internet world..At least focus on the points that I am sending and shoot ..
ReplyDeleteI am in for Sudanese/Sudanese realtions. Figures of people who lost their lives and displaced on Sudanese soil for the past 50 years , have exceeded all in our history for the past couple of millenium. Dividing Sudan into two states was wrong. Darfur crisis ( I care less about international tribunal for the time being) , should be addressed in a different way from the central regime in Khartoum & All opposition parties. We had the highest number of political parties in the region for the last 5 decades , most of them are outdated , lead by rotten persons who care only for their interests and should punished for their destructive role.
Never saw such hypocrites who were all their lives in a position against a person and ruling regime and then switching to be his aid .. Never saw such hypocrites who were cuddling people living in the southern part of their country and after 5 decaded praising the "NATIONAL VICTORY" & killing of them ... Who ever saw this in any part of the world please tell me ..We are the only Multi-ethnical country in the world still fighting each other from the 20th century to the 21st century ...
You keep up talking about the important issues from your point of view , which are not for me .. I mentioned up here what's in it for me now .. If you have anything concerning my priorities okay , if not Stop ...
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http://sudaneseoptimist.wordpress.com/
ReplyDeleteVery un-Sudanese...
Just like you being a Khartoum-based Darfuri...
No, you should stick to the points at hand, those made within the context of Sudanese perspectives that touch on things that Egypt is involved with.
As well as not knowing anything about Sudan, you know nothing about Africa where tribalism prevails, even in the Maghreb where people who followed Nasser's bad example suppressed the rights of their indigenous ethnic minorities...
No, civil unrest is not a Sudanese phenomenon, much as it would suit you as an Egyptian to say so...
Where the topic is Sudanese-Egyptian relations, the conclusion is that they have been an epic fail.
The same can be said for Egypt's African and Nile Basin relations.
That much is undeniable fact.
Halayeb is an open air prison.
Its people are not allowed to move freely.
Its people have been denied their Constitutional rights due to the actions of the Mubarak regime that Egyptians like yourself defend, in this instance.
No Sudanese citizen was incarcerated for any border dispute with Ethiopia...
Halayeb has provoked diplomatic spats and statements that 'have not' been reflected in the issue of the undelineated boundary between Sudan and Ethiopia.
These are facts that you cannot deny.
The High Dam is the worst example in the world of asymmetrical benefit / harm in a major hydro-project.
That is a fact that you cannot negate.
The fact that Nile Basin States are moving beyond Egypt and forming their own legal framework is evidence of Egypt's failed engagement, and we fully support them.
When democracy returns to Sudan, we will have a completely different dialogue.
That much is fact.
You can insult all the Sudanese since the time of the oldest civilisation in the area, the Nubian civilisation (in Sudan), and keep perpetuating the stereotypes that we are 'low IQ' that you use to justify your own failures but you will never, ever have one centimetre squared of Sudan's resources and thank you for showing your true colours.
And I'm very sorry to say that your country is not in a very good situation what with the pea-brained Salafis taking up such a high proportion of your vote and your Egyptian Islamists saying they will honour agreements with Israel - hypocrisy incarnate.
Aboul Foutouh's comment on Sudan was superficial.
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ReplyDeleteYou have a phobia called "Egyptophobia" ... You know that people are killing each others at an imaginary border in the same country and that families are displaced for more than 5o years and keep talking about your "Phobia" problem...!!!
No country in Africa is in a continous fight from the 20st to the 21st century ..You are the one whi is ignorant about Africa!!!
Egypt/Ethiopia/Eriteria relations are not my priority list , only if my IQ is as little to leave people dying In-house and talking about the fruitfull coperation with a neighboring country and defending a man for his assistance to someone who was agreed upon by all parties to be a tyran thief with his hands full of blood.. Overall , praising the artificial victory and calling it "National" victory...!!
From the above : What is the image that you portray for your OWN people infront of Egyptians who read this blog ?!!
So it is better that You make fun of YOURSELF only and stay NOT Sudanese ...
Good luck ELSEWHERE ya TAYEB...
Imaginary border?
DeleteIs that why the peoples of Halayeb aren't allowed to travel anywhere and why Sudanese citizens aren't allowed to visit Halayeb?
If anything's imaginary it's the reality you live in.
No country in Africa is in a continuous fight from the 20th to the 21st Century?
Shame on you for not knowing the history of Nile Basin States, then again you're Egyptian so ignorance and delusions of grandeur are your middle names.
Congo?
Uganda?
And Somalia and Casamance? (if you even know where that is).
Believe it or not I am not an Egyptophobe (I like the term).
Why Egypt and not Libya or Chad which are also neighbouring States?
The Sudanese had major issues with Libya's dictator who has gone now.
However what have successive generations of Sudanese seen from Muhammad Ali and his dynasty through to Nasser through to Mubarak apart from:
hijacking our democracies,
rotten, inequitable water deals built on hijacking our democracies,
transboundary water projects that came completely at our expense whilst they still continue to benefit Egypt?
Sudan was the only country in the region to support Egypt during its regional isolation after Camp David.
That Egypt can then take as unprecedented and foolish a step as the unilateral, military occupation of Halayeb whilst Sudan's armed forces were embroiled in the civil war in the South is the biggest insult imaginable to the entire Sudanese nation.
And that Egyptians like you and Zeinobia 'justify' this action and Egypt's 'refusal' to take the dispute to international arbitration just like it did with Israel, adds further insult to injury.
Myself and many other Sudanese like me do not accept how relations have developed between Sudan and Egypt and for the millionth time the examples of:
The 1959 Agreement and the High Dam which benefits Egypt and harms Sudan and,
The illegal, unilateral, military occupation of Halayeb
are clear for all to see.
We Sudanese 'reject' the Egyptian sense of entitlement towards to Sudan whereby Egyptians believe that Sudan is Egypt's strategic agricultural and water reserve.
Sorry, but no.
What we want are mature relations like those that Japan and South Korea and Japan and China have.
They accept that they have different interpretations of history and engage on a basis of sovereign equality, which is precisely what Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi was looking for before his government was hijacked by the military which........Egypt recognised before any other nation...
What image or should I say stereotype do Egyptians who read this blog have / hold about the Sudanese anyway...?
Fumbling, unsophisticated, kind-hearted dimwits right?
We're actually doing everyone a favour by voicing our views and giving the readers a dose of reality.
You brought up the 21st Century - get with the times and start accepting different viewpoints.
No Egyptophobia whatsoever.
DeleteWithout Egyptian obstinacy and chauvinism which the whole world say during Algeria's match in Khartoum and the insults hurled at Sudan by Egypt's media pillars, whose tone is exactly like the one you use when you call us low IQ...
Without the sense of entitlement that is tolerated by Egyptian to Sudan (from Sufi Abu Taleb to the female agricultural expert Zeinobia keeps posting about)
With the restitution of Halayeb to its rightful situation through the withdrawal of Egyptian troops and the opening of the border (easiest option) or international arbitration and the same level of engagement Egypt gave Israel over the Taba dispute
With the beginning of something positive-sum that flows North to South, such as gas or electricity,
With frank dialogue and engagement and respect of 'the other', none of this 'we' rubbish,
We could actually be 'normal' neighbouring States that can get somewhere.
But mark my words, every time the regime changes in Sudan, and this one is on its knees, Egyptian relations will suffer, and rightfully so.
There must be a framework and paradigm for relations, like Al-Imam Al-Sadiq Al-Mahdi stated and we will demand this when the Spring returns to Sudan.
Business as usual from your side is not in your interests.
Zeinobia being neutral and posting your negative replies about her in her blog..
DeleteMajority of Egyptians are being positive about the idea of having the largest Sudanese expatriate community in their country (3 to 4 Millions) ..
And , still you are talking about your 19th century and doing nothing positive for the present or the future ... Start with any procedure concerning the High Damn or Halayeb and then start winding if you get to nothing .. No one will give you what you ask for freely just from posting replies over the Internet..
Stupid Media exists everywhere , do I have to give examples from "Ours" ?!! Objective people make their assessment from majority reactions..
Whenever we wanted to effect change, through the democratic will of the people, Egypt hijacked our democracies...
DeleteEven today the official stance of the Eastern Front on Halayeb is a call for international arbitration, identical to the one Egypt had with Israel over Taba.
What is Egypt's response?
Refusal.
On the 1959 Agreement our parliamentary archives show that the civilian, democratic government was not going to agree on Nasser's terms, so he supported the first military takeover of power in November 1958 to push his deal through.
The Umma Party is in favour of the Nile Basin Cooperative Framework Agreement, as are the parties in South Sudan and all the Nile Basin, apart from Egypt.
This completely refutes everything you are saying.
We bring your attention to contemporary problems in Sudan-Egypt relations and you refuse to face them.
"You" being a woman living in a luxurious Gulf state , enjoying the wealth and commodity of the place explains why you are careless about people who died / dies , displaced/being displaced and also shows your illusions of the 19th century that still conquer your mind & thoughts ...
ReplyDeleteThough you follow people like (@AguilB) , (@AhmadMohamed10) (@S_Elwardany) , who say what I say about (#newSUDANS)...!!!
God be with you & with the families of the poor lost souls for Sudanese/Sudanese war and help the displaced families to return to their home lands ..
Meanwhile, lets enjoy discussing the Nile Basin frame work and its impact on the Ethiopian/Sudanese/Egyptian relations and the Millennium damn ..!!!
Being a woman?
ReplyDeleteAre you one of those Egyptian misogynists?
Careless about the people who died and are misplaced?
You must be referring to the Africans your troops take pot-shots at at the Israeli border, or the Sudanese who got brutalised and massacred at Mustafa Mahmoud or the Sudanese who are incarcerated and tortured for opposing Egyptian military occupation in Halayeb.
They say simple-minded people reflect themselves on other people and can't accept different points of view and you're a case in point of that.
We don't care about Egypt, the Millennium Dam and our relations with neighbouring Ethiopia are positive-sum and beneficial to us.
It's up to Egypt to fight its own battles with the rest of Africa.
Have nothing against women , but your insitance on avoiding direct contact to prove to each other that We are Sudanese , last thing that crossed my mind that you are a "She" not "He" ...!!
DeleteMajority of Egyptians have a Qatari-Phobia and think that Qatar is distructing the region ... Your presence there and insistance on attacking Egypt & undermining Egyptians and defaming Sudanese/Egyptian relations surely goes in this direction...!!!
We have a different set of priorities , I am not adopting your philosophical point of views on analyzing the past couple of centuries before moving an inch forward...
And , sorry that I don't share this negative feelings about Egypt that you have , a lot more -from my region (Darfur) -were killed and exploited by fellow Sudanese brothers...
I have to go , don't have more time to waist...
Regards,
What does gender have to do with opinions?
ReplyDeleteIt's 'waste' not 'waist'.
Yet another conspiracy theory, this time about Qatar?
Qatar has nothing to do with the facts that we have consistently presented on this blog as prime contemporary examples of what is wrong with Sudanese-Egyptian affairs.
Halayeb is not a Centuries old problem.
The High Dam still produces hydropower and has not yet been decommissioned...
Yes please retreat because you have proven incapable of cognitive dialogue.
And your masquerading as a Darfuri is just plain sad.
By the way, many of those brutalised and murdered in cold blood in Mustafa Mahmoud were from Darfur, just like those who are sniped down on the Egyptian-Israeli border.
'waste' not 'waist'... Your insistance on spelling and vocablury shows a lot of your personality ...
DeleteI care less about English language .. The important thing is passing the idea .. The important thing is " Saving the people from being killed in a Sudanese/Sudanese war" ...
and then;
We could move to using Word spell check ;and; discussing Hydro-power and Egypt/ Ethiopia /Eriteria/ Kenya and even China relations....
Gender has nothing to do with opinions except when you talk about war .... If you spend one day as a soldier you will know... But you can't even get close when you are enjoying a luxurious life in a country that hires others to fight its battles.. We are not even allowed to enjoy the wealth of our petrol and then be so stupid in praising "National Victory"...!!!
And sorry again that I don't share this negative feelings that you have about Egypt regardless of your continuous efforts ...and I will not be like you claiming that I speak on behalf of All Sudanese from North /South /East /West ( It looks that they are united ONLY in this issue following you) , I am speaking on behalf of Myself ..
I have to go , don't have more time to waist...!!!!!
Regards,
I was taught that proper grammar and spelling are good reflections of one's diligence.
ReplyDeleteWomen aren't allowed to talk about war!
You're a real piece of work.
At least your not still sticking to the lie that you're a Khartoum-based Darfuri.
Negativity is a reaction to relations on the ground that are negative-sum, read what's already been written.
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive.
ReplyDeleteI guess you've got nothing of value to say in response.
Never mind, some intelligent Egyptian out there will think about it.
Microsoft made it possible for any dumb to write a novel without Grammar mistakes & with an Oxford vocabulary .. Unfortunately, nothing is yet available to provide clear visions and correct rotten ideologies for people..
ReplyDeleteI admire women perseverance , though , it is sometimes annoying :
What should I do to prove my identity for you ?!! ..
Should I praise YOUR "Amire" Abdel Rahman and his old man to convince you ?!! I am sorry but I can't .. They are totally lost in the 19th century and I am in for the 21st ...
We have different set of priorities...
Regards,
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary issues, not historical ones.
ReplyDeleteI guess you've got nothing of value to say in response.
Sudanese optimist you have the right of being a “Mahdist” and fight for what you believe in , what is alarming for me is that you describe yourself as being a marketing professional and all what you do here is pushing who ever reads to hate the Old man , his son “YOUR AMIRE” ,and his party…
DeleteHis adversary couldn’t have done better to portray such a negative image on him and Mahdiya revolution … Which makes me wonder about you living in Qatar and their “Alleged” current regional role ..!!!
By the way , I personally don't hate him or his party or his "Inlaw" .. Just think that they are "Outdated" and that Sudan deserves better callibres which already exists ... Only if we put the 'Tribal' identities aside and unite after National interests..
You should free some of your time & go to Doha Institute and look for all their researches about Sudan and Sudanese/Ethiopian/Egyptian relations…
Meanwhile , please re-read “Marketing Management” by Kottler and go directly to the chapter where he talks about segmentation ( Selecting what to say , to who and HOW..) ,also, they sure have Negotiation skills courses nearby …
Regards,
You've already been told:
DeleteThe response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary issues, not historical ones.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
instead of making comments about Sudanese political figures whilst not being Sudanese yourself, try and think of of how to emotionally face up to the contemporary, and not historical, issues at hand.
Sudanese Optimist Mahdist ,
DeleteStrange , you never post replies on Saturdays ?!!Is it forbidden for you to work on that day ?!!!
Anyhow , also "You've already been told" , that I am from Darfur so stop "fussing" about it ....
".. making comments about Sudanese political .." Sorry to inform you that I have to , they have been the reason of our consistent failures for more than half a century...Things should change, enough talking and start working for god's sake... Fire is in every corner in Sudan and their priorities are obsolete...
Regards,
From Darfur?
ReplyDeleteWhich tribe?
Whereabouts?
What language do you speak...?
Shameless liar.
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary Sudan-Egypt issues, not historical ones.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
I do understand that you -being a female- avoiding contact over the Internet with stranger ...
DeleteStill you - as a marketing professional- fail to read what's been said over the weeks ...
I have no tribe , I am simply a Sudanese ... This is what (#newSUDANS) is all about ... Even more you have people like (@AguilB) , (@AhmadMohamed10) (@S_Elwardany) whose identities & work place is known and say what I say ...Still being superficial and talking like your party about minor problems and leaving important issues... It is leaders like those who are responsible for the continuous state of war that we are in for more than half a century...
In-house is the priority ,,, at least YOU living thousands of miles away and preaching about war and praising National victory is totally inacceptable ...
Nothing could be said after ,,
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As it was said , Microsoft made it possible for any 'Dumb' to write a novel without Grammar mistakes and with Oxford Vocablury ...
DeleteAnd..
'Google' made it possible to gather data on any region and get geniune identities for people living there!! Only way is through direct contact ...
So , keep asking your set of questions ... Unfortunately for you, I am focused and have a clear vision :
"We are where we are because of the out-dated , Low IQ , collaborateur leaders who set their tribal intersets over Sudanese national interests ... Some Sudanese still think in this middle ages way, they didn't get it yet that while the world is uniting we are dividing... It is not anymore a matter of neighboring countries conspiracy or negative interferences ... It is just Us, we failed and we don't have to keep this status of consistent failures ...and it is about time to move.."
If you were Sudanese you would be able to see where in Sudan you're from, which tribe and what language you speak, but your refusal to iterate basic facts incriminates you as a liar.
ReplyDeleteThat your point of reference on all things Sudanese is twitter is just sad.
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary Sudan-Egypt issues, not historical ones.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
"...what we have said .." refering to yourself as "We" is impressive...
DeleteHow many identities of Darfuris living in Khartoum do you need ?!! It is Google era ...
YOU ARE HOLDING LIKE YOUR MASTER IN TINY DETAILS THAT CAN BE EASILY FABRICATED OVER THE INTERNET AND LEAVING THE IMPORTANT IDEAS... SAME AS HE IS DOING INTENTIONALLY ABOUT SUDAN FOR LAST HALF A CENTURY...
This makes me wonder about the Doha Institute reasearch that he is on Israeili secrect service payroll since the fifties...
About this positive sum relations with Ethiopia , did you read Ethiopian researcher Mhare Beni about negative effect of the Millenium Dam on Sudan , Do you know how much 'OUR' Ethiopian friends will charge us for studies for their Damn assessment ?? 10 Millions USD !!! A costly frienship , isn't it ...
You think that the new Nile Basin countries framework agreement is a ride, they are all after their OWN interests ...and ..we are fighting each other ....
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No self-respecting Sudanese person will be hesitant to say where they come from.
ReplyDeleteBut being Egyptian, min 3ala wish il-dinya as you guys say in your accent, you can't appreciate anything Sudanese.
The consensus in Sudan is that the Millennium Dam will be beneficial to us, unlike Egypt's High Dam.
If Sudan were a democracy it would not be part of Egypt's efforts at opposing development in Ethiopia.
When Sudan becomes a democracy Egypt will be fighting its own African battles.
Google era, yes, that's where you get all your information from.
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary Sudan-Egypt issues, not historical ones.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
"..The consensus in Sudan is that the Millennium Dam will be beneficial to us.." .. If so , why pay the 10 Millions ?? You can address the old man to pay it from 'HIS' money ...
DeleteHave you ever heard of a country that will start a project which neighboring countries suspect its negative impact ,,and they charge them for the studies with one condition that "NO" Sudanese expert is present in the survey ?!! Does this comply with "YOUR" national interests ??!!
Shame , Why twist & hide the facts from the people ??....
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It complies with 'our' Sudanese national interests, it quite simply does not comply with your Egyptian ones.
DeleteSimple.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
"..You still have nothing substantive to say .."..."..It complies with 'our' Sudanese national interests..."......!!!!
DeleteEthiopia refuses for any Sudanese to participate in the consultant delegation to assess Millenium damn !! And we will pay the sum of 10 Million USD for their fees !!!
This is not substantive of course...
Marketing professional , you said is your main ?!!
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We 'the Sudanese', don't want to participate in any Egyptian inspection panel for the Millennium Dam because Ethiopia's dams benefit us, unlike Egypt's High Dam which harmed, and continues to harm us.
ReplyDeleteYou being an Egyptian have a different viewpoint.
I'm OK with that.
You, being anti-democratic, are not.
The response to your cry 'Egyptophobia' was quite comprehensive and focuses on contemporary Sudan-Egypt issues, not historical ones.
You still have nothing substantive to say about them which suggests that what we have said is logical, coherent and robust.
"..We'The Sudanese'.." , on whose behlaf are you speaking ??You should always remember that 'We' are not even sure if you are entitled to speak on behalf of Mahdiya....
DeleteYou have a communication problem which makes me wonder about your alleged current profession , or , should we link it to your current location 'Qatar'..?!!
It is not an Egyptian delegation , it is Our government (that your Amir Abdel Rahman is currently part-of) & the Egyptian government who asked Ethiopian authorities for the Damn impact assesment and the Ethiopian reply was to assign an international consultancy office for the job under one condition that No Sudanese or Egyptian experts are present in the commitee and that we will pay their fees estimated to be 10 Millions ..!!!
I know that 10 Millions are peanuts in Qatar but Sudanese financial status is far more below this , don't even compare to Al-sadiq Al-Mahdi fortunes that Sudan -By the way- didn't see any positive advantage from..
Regards,