tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post2874073333074906254..comments2024-03-23T00:46:27.084+02:00Comments on Egyptian Chronicles: Shafik : The Egyptians are obedientZeinobiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12290387395565291310noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-53345178650485525662012-05-31T18:44:20.034+02:002012-05-31T18:44:20.034+02:00Reliance on some kind of political savior is an ob...Reliance on some kind of political savior is an obsolete strategy and a pipedream at present. The people that most ardently seek to become dictators are not in any sense benevolent; someone that actually is benevolent would at some point be willing to share power and shift to a democratic system. The myth that a political messiah will sweep in and fix things can keep countries locked in oppression longer than is necessary.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-85937370383930398432012-05-30T19:05:48.280+02:002012-05-30T19:05:48.280+02:00I was shocked.
I have to say Shafik sounds just pl...I was shocked.<br />I have to say Shafik sounds just plain stupid in this<br />discussion.<br />He thinks the world can pretend nothing happened<br />in the last 2 years.<br />It leaves Egyptians with no choice. Too bad.<br />Morsi will win. Cross your fingers.<br />How could the SCAF be so stupid.pirooznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-49394339299323776242012-05-30T12:17:11.766+02:002012-05-30T12:17:11.766+02:00@Mostapha: You have obviously no clue about Egypt!...@Mostapha: You have obviously no clue about Egypt! Obviously you are one of the street-smart facebookies spoiled by Starbucks and most active on Twitter.<br /><br />I good news for you: 40% of Egyptians are illiterates. They live in the countryside in miserable conditions. They are use to sell their votes to make a living.<br /><br />And here you go and talk to them about civil society! GET REAL!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-20299179404983750232012-05-30T12:04:34.083+02:002012-05-30T12:04:34.083+02:00@pirooz
Check your knowledge of modern history and...@pirooz<br />Check your knowledge of modern history and read about Mustafa Kemal Atatürk and Josip Broz Tito, they were considered to be benevolent dictators and have accomplished great feats for their countries.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-17285295178060489132012-05-30T10:46:06.924+02:002012-05-30T10:46:06.924+02:00Dictator is not really a dictator if he/she can be...Dictator is not really a dictator if he/she can be replaced every 4-5 years in a free, fair and honest elections. Keeping a periodic honest elections mechanism and keeping freedom of speech will assure that no dictator will rule.<br /><br />Its not important whether Shafik or Mursy or even Mubarak will be elected, the important thing is to keep the principles above of periodic free honest elections and freedom of speech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-22072156638464155702012-05-30T07:50:10.952+02:002012-05-30T07:50:10.952+02:00Unfortunately, there is no such animal as a benevo...Unfortunately, there is no such animal as a benevolent dictator.<br />Dictatorship is an unnatural political state and can never be benevolent but like poison in the bloodstream eventually sickens and kills what it infects. All dictators, historically, believe & claim they are benevolent but history shows that long after they are gone they affect the societies that have been cursed by them. China will be no exception.<br /><br />The real question is why more people didn't vote? My guess - poverty. They feel their misery will not be changed by voting.<br />Other than that the election was excellent. Of course, people voted for Mubaraks PM (those people haven't vanished) but just as many voted for 3 others. So the election looks to me to be incredibly fair, considering it was the 1st.<br /><br />The Salafis are unhappy. Shafik is talking tough but that is all he can do. The MB tested the limits and in fact they didn't really pass that test since %75 didn't vote for their man and they showed their true face by entering the contest after reassuring Egyptians they would stay out. The question is will those who voted for El Fotoh feel comfortable with the MB or afraid of their slippery dominance. <br /><br />The MB can claim they eventually backed Tahrir after it was safe to do so and the Army/Shafik can claim that Mubarak backed down instead of going the road of Iran/Syria/Libya. Both sides want the votes of the others. I hope turnout can be increased in the next round.pirooznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-87204781784488534382012-05-30T04:27:29.551+02:002012-05-30T04:27:29.551+02:00Societies that were far less ready than Egypt in i...Societies that were far less ready than Egypt in its present state atttempted the democratic experiment by staging guerilla warfare, civil war, and other types of forceful methods of political change. Any society that successfully deposes an entrenched pillar of despotism through non-violent action already has demonstrated the capacity to use more advanced modes of political reform. The key will be ensuring that anti-democratic forces do not keep stalling the transition or actually succeed in subverting it. No point in returning to any kind of dictatorship. Popular participation is now needed for the growth of political consciousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-41360719592200988022012-05-30T00:18:51.557+02:002012-05-30T00:18:51.557+02:00I agree with the last anonymous.....Egypt needs a ...I agree with the last anonymous.....Egypt needs a benevolent dictator, it takes discipline and political maturity for democracy to work and Egyptians are not there yet!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-51456505092268687692012-05-29T23:05:28.163+02:002012-05-29T23:05:28.163+02:00One side benefit of Jan25 is to prove bigots like ...One side benefit of Jan25 is to prove bigots like the above anonymous wrong. The diversity of opinions, intensity of participation and vigor of debates in the new Egypt, while negotiating the sea of minefields in our turbulent middle east region is a testament of a fast-learning, rapidly growing Egyptian civil society. In some respect, we are accomplishing is a few months what took Turkey, for example, decades to achieve. We can ship you some unused Pharaohs in good working conditions.Mostafahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00081769402881322016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-41924772226024314432012-05-29T21:10:39.844+02:002012-05-29T21:10:39.844+02:00Let's put it this way: The revolutionary, &quo...Let's put it this way: The revolutionary, "secular" forces are hopeless divided. Their only program is "against felool", "against Ihwan" and so on. The Ihwan have 80 years experience of organizing themselves and of surviving political minefields. However, they are fanatics. They want to force their religious ways on others and that is not what the majority of Egyptians wants. Charishing religious values is one thing - being forced to respect those is another one. <br /><br />The example of Iran teaches a profound lesson: once they are in power you cannot get rid of the religious easily.<br /><br />Shafik and SCAF are representatives of the old order and what he said at AmCham is what he means. He will try to turn the wheel back as far as possible. Personally I cannot imagine he nor SCAF will turn Tahrir Sq. into a Tiananmen. China got away because they are a world power. Egypt is not. SCAF wants billions from the USA and in the case of a massacre no American President could afford to tolerate this. EU will cut all aid, tourism would collapse again ...<br /><br />No, Shafik will act very cautiously. If he remains "human" he will have the support from all: Israel, USA, EU, Saudi Arabia. If he dissolves Parliament, Ihwan will lose a lot and this will be the opportunity for the liberal movements.<br /><br />The victim will be the people of Egypt who will be plundered as usual. No true reforms will happen, because the felool want to make billions and for the religious fractions "business" has no value (unless it is their own company).<br /><br />Democracy requires a civil society, people who can read a voting paper. Egypt is lacking of such. Egypt is needs a Pharaoh - but a nice one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-5389582863207957512012-05-29T20:22:59.833+02:002012-05-29T20:22:59.833+02:00Revolutionaries should push Morsi to establish ful...Revolutionaries should push Morsi to establish fully transparent and observed elections in future.<br /><br />If Shafik (and possibly Suleiman as his VP) become president, first goes the parliament. Next goes all leftists, and alongside Islamists to jails.<br /><br />And what is worse SCAF's grip over security and economy means Shafik-Suleiman duo can "improve" the lives of Egyptians to effectively cement them there for decade or so.yqxohttp://twitter.com/yqxonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-21123359247073087292012-05-29T19:17:44.663+02:002012-05-29T19:17:44.663+02:00I read the Nwew York Times for many years and admi...I read the Nwew York Times for many years and admired its reporting. I don't read it regularly anymore as I believe they now have an extreme liberal bias. I do believe the following article gives a good report on the whole picture of the Arab Spring. Egyptians face a real problem, Do they vote for the Devil they know or the Devil they don't? Hopefully secularism will prevail. Please copy and paste the following:<br /><br />http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/egyptian-election-and-arab-spring?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20120529&utm_term=gweekly&utm_content=readmore&elq=69f19fa4333b4033beaf8ce82825bb73Misrscribehttp://www.octogenarianonline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-20141944834135449822012-05-29T14:34:15.355+02:002012-05-29T14:34:15.355+02:00The meeting in AmCham seems to be audio only.The meeting in AmCham seems to be audio only.Jasonhttp://elnaschiewatch.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.com