tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post4539985206315053346..comments2024-03-23T00:46:27.084+02:00Comments on Egyptian Chronicles: And It has just started but I fear We do not know that yetZeinobiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12290387395565291310noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-11232243820345897572013-08-22T10:16:47.703+02:002013-08-22T10:16:47.703+02:00These are heavy and sad events that will reverbera...These are heavy and sad events that will reverberate for years to come. That's for sure.<br />Violence breeds violence. That must mean that the whole think would escalate to a civil war of some sort. However I don't think it will go that far. MB supporters may lash out in anger but they cannot wage a war against the whole military establishment.<br />And even those of us who were horrified at the brutality of the army in breaking the sit-ins, are also horrified at killing innocent army conscripts who had nothing to do with these events, or the attacks on Copts who also were not a party in this.<br />Anger and revenge will not solve anything only make a bad situation worst. All these killings do not advance anyone's cause. There is only sorrow on that road.<br /><br />If we want a way out of this, we must choose a different way, not pursue those paths which have only yielded suffering and shame. <br />It is not about what they do and how I react to it, it is about what I do and my responsibility to stop the insanity. It starts with me.Raoufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777747279600360329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-16894805726426544202013-08-20T21:10:33.204+02:002013-08-20T21:10:33.204+02:00this same vibe was clear even during the #jan25 da...this same vibe was clear even during the #jan25 days, though the cheerleaders could not see it ... <br /><br />the collective consciousness of a culture is never changed just by changing the guy in the chair .. <br /><br />(r)evolution is a much deeper processgregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14408369948377761936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-56881089688623186212013-08-19T18:41:39.680+02:002013-08-19T18:41:39.680+02:00If it is a CIA plan to destabilize Egypt and threa...If it is a CIA plan to destabilize Egypt and threaten the Suez canal, thus interfering with international commerce ... if it is a CIA plan to raise the price of oil because of Egyptian instability and further strain the American economy ... then the CIA is a bunch of overpaid, illogical, idiots.<br /><br />Nope, this war in Egypt is a civil war in support of free speech and freedom of religious choice. Neither the Muslim Brotherhood nor Wahhabis want that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-58881541401732689442013-08-19T16:04:32.590+02:002013-08-19T16:04:32.590+02:00Zeinobia you do a great job and this is indeed ver...Zeinobia you do a great job and this is indeed very sad. And yes I realize that I'm second guessing but I do believe that the way out was to contain the area where there were gatherings of members of the Mb and their supporters but let them stay as long as they want. And I'm sure that Adam Smith the father of economics would say let them stay because at the end of the day they have to make a living and they will disband. And this is indeed what happened to the "Occupy Wall Street" and all these young people had to leave.<br /><br />The hypocrisy of the MB has no limits and of all people they are the ones who are asking "foreign kuffar" to help them. And as has been pointed out by Ibrahim Eissa the Copts must be the ultimate Egyptians after all with all the atrocities inflicted on them no Copt is sane mind is asking Europe or America for help<br /><br />And like I say the MB are liars and criminals and terrorists but at the end of the day Egyptians should sit and talk and sort out their problems but under no condition should those among the MB that committed crimes and atrocities be allowed to get away with such crimes<br /><br />Again Zeinobia you do a good job Luke Theonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06067491197043331910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-10024140993099854842013-08-19T14:17:10.145+02:002013-08-19T14:17:10.145+02:00In the beginning it was the Army. In the end as we...In the beginning it was the Army. In the end as well. In between the MB tried to get a piece of the cake and it failed. But the Army remained and now is following the classic 'schock doctrine' to reimpose ruthless military rule. Freedom, social justice and fraternity cannot be built through genocide.Quilombohttp://www.javierortiz.net/voz/samuelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-74717899307010923662013-08-19T06:47:21.544+02:002013-08-19T06:47:21.544+02:00Yes! In my opinion, the biggest political problem...Yes! In my opinion, the biggest political problem for the whole planet is the growth of fundamentalism in all three major religions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-53580229185595142202013-08-18T22:00:58.775+02:002013-08-18T22:00:58.775+02:00Z you are a real humanitarian in an inhuman situat...Z you are a real humanitarian in an inhuman situation. I value your blogs and tweets so highly, especially in the darkest days.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-64157673555125584282013-08-18T20:22:29.902+02:002013-08-18T20:22:29.902+02:00Nope, the Arab Spring emerged in response to decad...Nope, the Arab Spring emerged in response to decades of exploitation, repression and despotism. Mubarak and vile his police state truly brought it on themselves. History will never exonerate the legacy of the NDP. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-63895457031317293112013-08-18T17:23:29.601+02:002013-08-18T17:23:29.601+02:00The aim of the Yinon Plan is to break up Egypt. Th...The aim of the Yinon Plan is to break up Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood, like its friend al Qaeda, is run by the CIA and is carrying out the Yinon Plan. The Arab Spring was devised by the CIA.<br /><br />- AangirfanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-24841933599555084102013-08-18T15:08:49.811+02:002013-08-18T15:08:49.811+02:00A citizen with a gun in his hand becomes an outlaw...A citizen with a gun in his hand becomes an outlaw or a terrorist as they call them now, therefore, must be killed to protect the society... To kill a police officer is a type of murder society cannot admit and for the state to retaliate is not murder, it's self-defense. If the gun carriers are in great number as they are now in Egypt, they should all be killed. Choose your side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-22693523077274563052013-08-18T14:02:39.502+02:002013-08-18T14:02:39.502+02:00How do you negotiate secular democracy & relig...How do you negotiate secular democracy & religious freedom with religious fascists and fanatics? <br />Furthermore, there is a strong divisional tone between the 'haves' or rich vs. the 'have-not' or poor in this conflict....it is not all about politics but socioeconomic class divisions!<br />The Canadian.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-62176477092472358102013-08-18T13:26:09.725+02:002013-08-18T13:26:09.725+02:00From the Angry Arab blog:
"The Tamarrod movem...From the Angry Arab blog:<br />"The Tamarrod movement has done two important things in the last two days: it has called for the formation of SS-like Shabibbah 'populae committees' to help the Egyptian Army in the massacres, 2) it has sent it's salutations to the Saudi King and expressed its gratitude for his 'support'." <br /><br />And you poor innocents thought the MB was bad? Wait until the Wahhabis arrive.kassandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13553548124263084987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-17630623908314717182013-08-18T11:37:03.916+02:002013-08-18T11:37:03.916+02:00Rule #1 : When you're ill, don't type.
Spr...Rule #1 : When you're ill, don't type.<br />Spring is past. Morsi Martyrs are present.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-42987775043769994542013-08-18T08:34:11.245+02:002013-08-18T08:34:11.245+02:00What did you EXPECT pal? You and your Jul 3 suppor...What did you EXPECT pal? You and your Jul 3 supporters were played so bad, it's honestly laughable. I challenge you to retract your support for these idiots in the army/police -- it might be the only honourable thing you will accomplish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-24963850783184164342013-08-18T08:01:12.129+02:002013-08-18T08:01:12.129+02:00It has started! It has started! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-87167847147467163922013-08-18T07:04:19.646+02:002013-08-18T07:04:19.646+02:00This is inevitable, thanks to Islamic puritanism t...This is inevitable, thanks to Islamic puritanism that continuously inspire its adherents to push religion into governance and that no one has a right to legislate except Allah. On the other hand there are those who believe that people should be responsible for their own destiny and that religion should be a private affair.<br /><br />There is no possibility of reconciliation between these two stances, as one tries to do exactly opposite to what other aspires to.<br /><br />Western nations and many other nations like even Muslim nations like Bangladesh, Indonesia etc across the world realized how divisive religion can be if it gets into governance and politics. The Arabs on the other hand still fresh from dictatorship and stepping into the new shoes of democracy have not fully realized the harm that religion in political space can cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-45183753674568908752013-08-18T06:06:42.197+02:002013-08-18T06:06:42.197+02:00Eventually, mass hysteria movements burn themselve...Eventually, mass hysteria movements burn themselves out. This has happened multiple times in the U.S., most recently with the unveiling and crumbling of the NSA. <br /><br />In the more extreme cases, as in the French Revolution and the Chinese Cultural Revolution, power mongers and political fanatics/demagogues turn on and devour each other. The lunacy escalates to such an obvious level and causes so much damage that the majority becomes repelled by it. The struggle ends up consuming and devouring its chief protagonists. The problem is that it can go on for a few years and cause heavy damage, as when Mao was allowed to introduce the insanity of the Cultural Revolution. <br /><br />Eithet the original target will prpve insufficient and a new one has to be added/found, or the game will be exposed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-19484540634691339172013-08-18T05:17:30.513+02:002013-08-18T05:17:30.513+02:00Very nice article, Zeinobia. May God give you the ...Very nice article, Zeinobia. May God give you the strength to be brave and hold on to your principles, should the authorities find them to be 'traitorous.' Keep in your heart all the people of history who have found the strength to stand up to oppression. And if all else fails, run away as fast as you can! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-44380432062543655142013-08-18T04:47:10.291+02:002013-08-18T04:47:10.291+02:00Media thugs , worst than street thugs. Preaching h...Media thugs , worst than street thugs. Preaching hate, as Belal Fadl said, that will burn us all.khalednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-49165387827731544102013-08-18T03:14:54.000+02:002013-08-18T03:14:54.000+02:00I keep reading what you write until I reach that p...I keep reading what you write until I reach that point, in many of your posts, when you leave your topic, and you start referring negatively to Nasser, his policies, and specifically to the 60's. I then have difficulty reading any more. My stomach turn, not or any reason other than that I was there in the 60's, from its first day in 1960, to its last day in 1969, and I never saw, felt, or found anything of value to what you write about it. <br /><br />Where were you in the 60's? Why don't you ask some fair minded people if we ever saw any of the mess that was the 70's, 80's, and beyond, or the almost total collapse that we have seen in these last 12 months. I went to college, then I worked in a college, and I lived between lower Egypt, Cairo, and upper Egypt, and I participated in everything that took place in between. Even when those Brothers were conspiring against Egypt, and trying repeatedly to kill Nasser, most people were living and working peacefully, and were not in anyway part of that power play. Muslim Brothers, the children of Muslim Brothers, even those who conspired against Egypt and Nasser in the early 50's were in colleges, had one degree after another, and were hired everywhere including in the university. They were my colleagues, and they were also sent aboard on paid missions to get higher degrees, and return to university positions. Look at all those older Brothers in power now, and at all those degrees they had, mostly in the 60's, and you will wonder why do they want now to destroy whatever left in this country!<br /><br />I know, from many years reading your posts, that you hate Nasser, and always hated his July revolution, and that you would have preferred that King Farouk and his queens and princesses would be still here. But they are gone, good riddance, and they are not ever coming back. Please move on, and live with the present. Everyone is having a bad year, and hopefully many Egyptians will work on making it better. They just need to look inside, then wake up and start working. They have not done that for years. Elh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8003335.post-32505964880761687802013-08-18T02:33:28.260+02:002013-08-18T02:33:28.260+02:00First, it is hard to read all of the above. I had ...First, it is hard to read all of the above. I had to stop repeatedly and read again to find out what you really mean. Are you going to be among those who just awoke up to find that the police should just have sat there, and let these people torture and bury, and go to the streets every day destroying whatever in their way. Do you find it fair that you can go everyday safely from your home to your work, while others are being held prisoners in their homes for 45 days, and counting. <br /><br />Like many others, I also say that the police should have had a better plan to clear these gatherings, and to handle its follow up. They knew well that these people are not peaceful in any way, and are not going to leave the streets without hitting, killing, and burning. There is history there of attacking police stations and decpitating its officers. But then I had to stop and think that any plan, by any one, would not have mattered. These people decided that they are going to be marterd for an idiotic cause, and for a man and an organization that would let them die to just gain a point. Elh. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com