Suddenly with no introductions Israel has decided to expose one of its important spies in Gaza and in the occupied territories to be accurate : The son of Hamas who was working as spy for Israel for a decade.
It is a shock for some indeed but is it a surprise !!?? No I do not think so , he is not the first traitor from inside the house nor the last , this is very common and it happens everywhere from the dune of history ; great fathers and traitor sons whom usually forgotten. There are many examples from Palestine so it is not a big thing , c'est la vie.
An autobiography about this traitor has been published and I will not be surprised if it finds its way to the big screen especially that is finding his way in TV shows.
Now to the big question , why did Israel decide to burn one of its important spies !!?? Well you got interesting timing ; their Dubai assassination fiasco with its diplomatic crises following it , yes they managed to kill Al-Madoubh but it was very loud and it was very clampsy that Dubai's police not to even a secret service like for instance the GIS reveals the whole plot in couple of weeks. I think the Mossad wanted to appear as the invincible secret service that penetrates Hamas from inside from a very long time; this is why we found ourselves in front of this whole film of how powerful the Mossad is and how the Israelis now are rushing to join the Mossad.
Mosab or Joseph Youssef could not publish that book without the permission of Mossad. Of course he is now the hero of the right wing in America , you should see how Fox News is so proud of him.
I do not care what Mosab says in his book or in his TV shows, he is a traitor and responsible for the arrest of an honorable man called Marwan Barghouti.
Anyhow it is interesting that the Mossad has all those spies in Hamas and also in Hezbollah and yet it did not manage to end them
Hmmm,
ReplyDeleteI bet this scumbag will now capitalize on his relation with Hamas and his conversion and join the ranks of other "oh we were blind savage eastern muslims who saw the light of the kind christian west" charlatans like Walid Shoebat, Wafaa Sultan, and Nonie Darwish.
This is pathetic.
Dear Zeinobia, This is a man who has seen the light and rejects the endless unnecessary killing that takes place in your part of the world in the name of religion and honor.He has also placed himself at great risk by coming out in the open. Arabs and Egyptians love and respect their families as do we all. It was not easy for him to leave his family. You call him a traitor. As does his family. If they had not they would likely been murdered.Even now they will suffer rejection. Thats the way it is if you and your families don't follow the leader.
ReplyDeleteRead what he says and try to understand. I am a secular but I believe his conversion to a more peaceful philosophy is commendable. I do believe there is a God but no human is or ever has been capable of revealing God's intentions for mankind.In the absence of His divine guidance I believe that we should do unto our neighbors as we would have them do unto us. Be kind!
You posted the CNN interview but you along with most liberals and the often biased media in the United States continue to malign FOXNEWS.It must be that the truth hurts. FOXNEWS is consistently rated as the most fair and balanced cable news by objective analysts.I am talking about news coverage not their talk shows with various personalities who sometimes go over the top.
Salaam Alayakum
I personally thought all American news stations were biased... BBC ftw.
ReplyDeleteBut anyway, to answer why if Israel have so many spies in Hezbollah and Hamas how come these groups have not ended? Well two reasons, one the very nature of these groups coming from the grass roots of society makes them more persistant than most and two Israel needs them. They have a huge dependency on money from America and abroad which they get because they are seen as a tiny country, a people always on the brink of war and being wiped out. And though we all know this isn't true, they are quite capable of defending themselves if they admitted this to the world their funding would decrease, and other countries, possibly Arab countries (though only ones that recognised Israel as a state) would get some more money.
dick smith, fox news is fair and balanced? i was ready to engage in a meaningful debate, but when u say stuff like that no one will take u seriously
ReplyDeleteto 2nd Anon- Have you ever watched FOXNEWS or are you relying on some biased sources? I have read many analyses of the media on such important news as elections. Fox indisputably has a better balance of favorable and unfavorable stories about the various candidates. The major networks were incredibly lopsided in favor of Obama and damning news was either not reported or only briefly mentioned. What did you want to debate?
ReplyDelete@Dick "This is a man who has seen the light and rejects the endless unnecessary killing that takes place in your part of the world in the name of religion and honor." it's about occupied land not religion, he is a traitor because he sold his country to the occupiers..
ReplyDeleteAlso do you ever watch THE DAILY SHOW? it's my mail source of US news :P check this 1 about FOXNEWS: http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-march-3-2010-lynne-olson
ReplyDeleteDick Smith, are you talking about the same fair Foxnews that was calling for Americans to fight France because of its refusal to join the Iraq war lie? or the one that never reports what happens to palestinians while managing to always report as much as a scratch to an Israeli? None of the US news networks is fair or balanced as far as reporting on MENA is concerned. Compare any of them US news networks with the even biased BBC and you will realize how lost you guys are.
ReplyDeleteI won't comment much on your vision that this traitor converted to a more "peaceful way", let me just remind you that the "real" peaceful way was founded by Muslims, since Muslim societies allowed for peaceful living among the followers of all 3 heavenly religion, that peace is always shuttered by the West in case you failed to notice, the crusaders, the US, and Israel are all different phases of the ugliness of rejecting the other just bec he is different, that ugliness prevails in the West and has been planted in our region.
Also, funny who you disagree with viewing him and calling him as he is a traitor who cost the lives and freedom of ppl who are only guilty for not giving up on their homeland, and tell me what will you call an American who saw the light "according to him" and joined Al Quada to get the US out of lands it had illegally occupied? Oh I forgot, words like "terrorists" and "traitors" are only reserved to those fighting the US or Israel right?!!! Real Shame
To Zeinobia,
ReplyDeleteAgain your post is full of "errors" (is it intentional or just sloppyness?).
You say that "Israel has decided to expose one of its important spies in Gaza and in the occupied territories". In "occupied territories" I guess you mean Judea and Samaria (the so called "West Bank"). But nowhere in Mosab's lengthy interview with Haaretz or in any other interview does he say that he operated in Gaza. He only operated in Judea and Samaria, mainly around the Ramallah area.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1152398.html
Secondly, intel/security agancies NEVER expose their agants, cos that way they expose there methods. This was also stated by Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1151930.html
and by Mosab himself @ 4:34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvTtn4sRhY
You say that this comes in wake of Mossad's fiasco in Dubai. But besides Khalfan's anti-Semitism ("we can identify Jews according to their features") I haven't seen any proof that this is Mossad. And even if it was the end result is that Mabhouh is dead and this is good and not a fiasco.
Are you equally outraged about Iran forcing a plane from Dubai to Kyrgistan to land and kidnapping one of its passangers (who Iran claims is a terrorist)?
http://en.rian.ru/world/20100301/158049297.html
Are you also outraged about the assassination of a Chechen on Dubai's soil?
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/03/mysterious-assassination-in-dubai-and.html
I bet not since Israel or Jews aren't involved in those incidents.
You call Mosab a traitor. How is he a traitor if he prevented Palestinain (terrorists) from being killed and instead being jailed? I guess your mad the terrorists didn't succeed in slaughtering innocent civilian Jews and this is to be regreted in your mind.
Just look at the difference between Jews and Arabs/Muslims: Avinadav Begin who dinounced Judaism and Zionism was not called a traitor and was not disowned by his parents. Mosab, who dinounced Islam and worked for the Israelis, was.
You call the mass murderer Barghouti an "honorable man". I guess Hitler was also an honorable man for murdering 6 million Jews or is he a traitor for not finish the job?
Finally, Zeinab, I think the questian you shouled be asking yourself is why more and more Muslims are seeing the evil of Islam.
I had started to respond to the various comments objecting to my comments and spent quite a bit of time at it. When I was done and tried to post it I lost the entire piece. I was going to start over but upon reading Joel's comments I will simply say that I agree with him.
ReplyDeleteInterestingly there is an editorial in an Augusta, Georgia newspaper today that might be of interest. Just go to www.augustachronicle.com and check out the editorial.
@Dick Smith, please cut the crap and stop claiming that you are a secular person because you are not. Agreeing with a zionist racist opinion does not make you secular my friend.
ReplyDelete@ Joel, imho the relevant difference here between Israelis and Arabs is that Israel sees Hamas and such as terrorists while we view them as desperate freedom fighters.
ReplyDeleteWhile you make some valid points, I hate that you make the comparison with Hitler.. it has been done to death, enough already.. really.. it lost it's shock value.. Israel is not the victim here; it's their policies over the last 50 years that helped create this mess.. and Arabs are not to blame for the holocaust, so give it a rest plz..
And I am not going to even argue with you about the "evil" of Islam because I think your point of view on this matter is just sad :(
@Dick Smith Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C :P
Dick Smith:
ReplyDeleteMost people from Arab-speaking countries are used to calling anyone who challenges their world views things like traitor, zionist, western agent, racist etc... for example, if Mosab Yousef committed a suicide bombing in a restaurant or a bus stop (these are examples of their freedom fighting), he would be considered a martyr and hero. But if he helped fight terrorists and save innocent civilians, then he is a traitor.
So... please don't take it personally.
Ok with my all due respect I know while writing this post , I would receive similar comments with and against Mosab.
ReplyDeleteWhy I disrespect Mosab , well starting with the fact that he aided a war criminals army that have a shameful historical records of unjustified attacks against civilians and POWs since 1948 , he aided an army that uses forbidden weapons against civilians , he aided a country officially is building settlements in a land that according to international laws does not belong it
He is aiding an occupation army even you do not want to admit it , you recognize Israel as a state since 1948 fine , but in 1967 it took land that it should return back if we want peace to prevail for real in the Middle East.
He is aiding an occupation country that is building a huge ugly apartheid wall
Mosab did not and will not help the Palestinian cause nor the Palestinian people
Regarding his conversion well Islam did not lose or win from his conversion nor does Christianity ; treason has no nationality nor religion and I think many of Palestinian Christians are denouncing him in the same way.
I hope that I made it clear for everyone
What do we have here
ReplyDeletehttp://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=267243
Iranians stealing Israeli passports. Mmmm... sounds familliar, were did I hear of Israeli passports being stolen.
Outrage anyone?
Zeinobia, Mosab himself said that the Shabak doen't target civilians intentionally while Hamas do.
Now regarding Israel's use of illegal weapons in Gaza. During battle White Phospherus is alowed to be used by armies as a smokescreen or signaling, i.e. as a source of light. This is exactly how the IDF used it and thus violated no international law.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/wp.htm
http://samsonblinded.org/news/icrc-idf-used-white-phosphorus-properly-5890
On the other hand Hamas, Saudi Arabia and Taliban all used it as a weapon and thus violated international law.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055472.html
http://www.google.co.il/search?hl=iw&ei=BmMXS_LXDIiOmAPEk7nlAw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAUQBSgA&q=saudi+phosphorus+press+tv+yemen&spell=1
http://www.google.co.il/search?hl=iw&source=hp&q=taliban+phosphorus&meta=&aq=f&oq=
Concerning Israel's "aparthaid wall". It is not a wall and it is not apartheid. It's a defensive fence/barrier against Palestinian terror. It wouldn't be there if Arafat wouldn't have unleashed his terror campaign in Sep 2000.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier
Now lets have a look at who else put up anti -terror walls/barriers:
Egypt (on border with Gaza)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703787304575075524152161044.html
Iran (two, one in Iraq and one in Kurdistan)
http://www.thememriblog.org/blog_personal/en/25020.htm
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2009/11/guess-who-is-building-wall-now.html
Iraq (on border with Syria)
http://ranjalaaldin.com/2009/09/08/iraq-plans-walls-of-iraq-to-stop-terrorist-infiltration/
Saudi Arabia (in Yemen)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=109351§ionid=351020206
Concerning Israeli "occupation". Israel occupies nothing. Israel captured those (historically Jewish) territories when they were under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation in a defensive war.
Now lets see how Arabs have treated the "Pals" along the yearts: much much worse than Israelis did.
Pal citizenship revoked by Jordan
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132504
400,000 Pals expelled from Kuwait in 1991 just because their leader Arafat supported Saddam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Expulsion_from_Kuwait
90,000 Pals expelled from Iraq in 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3015739.stm
Thousands of Pals expelled from the UAE in 2009
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL4440046
About 10,000 Pals massacred by Jordan in 1970 ("Black September")
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=150571&contrassID=2&subContrassID=14&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
About 500 Pals massacred by Christian Arabs in Lebanon in 1975 ("Black Saturday")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Saturday_(Lebanon)
About a thosand Pals massacred by Christian Arabs in Sabra and Shatila, Lebanon 1982
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra-Shatila_massacre
Pals massacred by Shiites ("War of the Camps") in Lebanon 1984-1989
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Camps
About 3000 Pals massacred by Syria in Lebanon in 1976 (Tel al-Zaatar massacre)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_al-Zaatar_massacre
And finally Pals massacred by Pals, about 300 dead (the Fatah-Hamas war)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict
@Anonymous, I am glad that you inadvertently equated racism with zionism in your post. However,I was very clear in my post and did not condone any terrorist act.I was simply disagreeing with Mr Dick Smith about describing himself as a secular and at the same time siding with a zionist like Joel.
ReplyDeleteI do have the courage by the way to apologize to Mr Dick Smith if he posted a statement clearly denouncing zionism as a racist belief although I doubt he will do so.
Joel, are you aware of Godwin's Law? maybe you should look that up... but pretty much what is says is that when you use Hitler or the Nazi's in an argument you automatically lose, because you are no longer aruging you are merely appealing to emotivism instead of reason.
ReplyDeleteWhat about former Israeli soldiers that have admitted they were using White Phospherus is a way that violated international laws. (I'm sorry I don't have a link to it but it's from a Dateline news report (Australian))
On your veiws of the "apartheid wall".. "It is not a wall and it is not apartheid." In that case why has the wall CONTINUED to be built whilst Hamas have rejected suicide bombings? If you want peace in this area perhaps it is better to talk to people when they are willing to talk, like now with Hamas, instead of ignoring them and forcing them back into terrorist/freedom fighter actionos.
But I forget, Israel doesn't want peace, they love the money they are getting, why won't they annex the West bank and the Gaza strip? Because then that's getting rid of the Jewish only state, by allowing for a majority of Palestinians to come in. So what will Israel do? They will continue to build this wall, getting the best and most arible land on their side of it, then annex that. I'd bet money on that being the outcome.
You know what shocks and saddens me? Apart from the documentaries we see over here in England where Jews blame the Palestinaians for the holocaust. What shocks me is that Jews don't seem to look at their own history, but isn't that always the way.
The Jews are "Gods chosen people" and have been prosecuted for years. Firstly I though there couldn't be a Jewish state without God setting it up according to your OWN religion. Secondly the Jews were persecuted for centuries, in all countries, in all manner of ways. Yet with all this suffering behind them, only a few Jews, and not the ones in power actually show some knowledge and understanding for another people who are suffering. Israel has taken a look at history and like all states before it, like all people before it has decided to take out the fact that it suffered on someone weaker than itself. The bullied turns to be the Bully.
If this is the way God's chosen people act, then I think there is no hope for humanity.
On a personal note Joel.... do you happen to live in stolen lands? because the way you act you do seem very much like a settler...
To Serurubele,
ReplyDeleteMuslim, including Palestinian, collaboration with Nazism is a well documented fact, here are just a few examples:
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Images:Islamic_Nazism
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/08/INGODGH99Q1.DTL&type=printable
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/world/Ruling-party-learned-from-Nazis.2414736.jp
http://www.expatica.com/de/news/local_news/nazis-planned-holocaust-in-palestine-historians-29259.html
http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3248081,00.html
I'm from the settlement of Tel-Aviv. Have you heard of it? Most secular people in Israel, like me, share my views, not only the settlers.
If Hamas have rejected suicide bombings why does Egypt continue to build its "apartheid wall"?
"Israel doesn't want peace, they love the money they are getting". Sounds like anti-Semitism. Do Jews, I mean Israelis, controle the world too? Oh I forgot you are from Jew-hating England. Now everything makes sence.
I don't like this "Jews are God's chosen people" stuff, since I don't like religious arguments, me being an atheist. Please show me where my religion says I can't have a state?
The ones who don't want peace are the Muslims. They have been occuping other peoples lands and waging war all over the world for the last 1400 years.
The Pals can only blame their selfs and their Arab brothers for their "suffering".