well what do you know ??
After attacking the practice of Male Circumcision in Islam for centuries by the west ,now it is recognized by WHO itself that it is an effective way to combat HIV
You know I wish to know what Nawal El-Sadawy thinks about this because she kept attacking the Male circumcision practice in Islam as if it were the female Circumcision
By the way the female Circumcision is not an Islamic practice like many think and it is known in the west , in fact it is an eastern practice , it is an African practice ,Prophet Mohamed "PBUH" didn't have his daughters Circumcised
I always wanted to hint this point out
The female circumcision is an African habit, very bad one on the health of the woman on the contrary of the male circumcision , to prove that it is not an Islamic practice , you can notice that it is not practiced in the eastern part of the Islamic world , or what is known as the Eastern Arab world.
It is only practice again in Africa, it is more of a social custom that is practiced till now in the country side
I will take this quote from Islamonline and share it with you
There is nothing in the sources, either the Quran or the Sunnah, to suggest that it is a PRESCRIBED ritual of initiation for women in Islam.
It is common knowledge in Islam that if the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, had wanted female circumcision to be an integral aspect of religious practice in Islam the same way that male circumcision is, he would have said so clearly. Since he did not do so, we can safely assume it is not a prescribed ritual of Islam."
It is not obligatory in Islam and the prophetic quotes regarding this can not be described as strong and even according to the quote which many are not sure about the precis words are "Reduce the size of the clitoris but do not exceed the limit" not the whole Clitoris like it is done now by the way in Egypt at least in family it was considered as a social custom not a religious one , my mother and sisters were not circumcised and it wasn't a big thing ,this didn't consider it as a religious practice
Again it is not obligatory like the male Circumcision , which is not only practiced in Islam but also in Judaism , I remember my grand mother told me that the one who had circumcised her elder brother was the grand rabbi in Cairo , and that same brother while working as diplomat in Brazil in 1960s where they were many Egyptian Jews , he noticed that many of their rabbis were also circumcising the Muslim boys ,well back it was much tolerant.
Anyhow when I read this ,I wonder whether the west would still consider it a barbaric act anymore of the East , I know that many interracial marriages between Muslim men and western women were ended because the refusal of those women to circumcise their boys !!
Strangely as I said Nawal El-Sadawy and several of her women supporters were taking a stand against the male circumcise saying that it increases the chances for HIV infection !! So what do they think about that ??
It is well known for along time in Egypt that the male circumcision can be a method of protection from the HIV as many doctors had stated
The male Circumcision is practiced now by the doctor , my best friend's baby was circumcised from couple of months ,I guess in last Ramdan because we had breakfast together and then she left with her husband to the doctor , of course the baby was too small for this operation but many are recommending it in early age ,I don't know why
Of course it hurt him but strangely it turned out that the Urine helps in closing the wound , now he is fine Mash Allah
In the common popular areas and in the past I know there was a profession of Male Circumciser and that in popular areas there are used to have celebrations when the boy is circumcised and this is well shown in Salah Jahin's puppets master piece "The Grand Eve" , the big celebration with music and belly dancers ,of course it is not celebrated like it is used but still in country side and upper Egypt is considered a big event and it should be celebrated
This was in the news few months ago.. (March 29th) here's my article about it Circumcision against AIDS!
ReplyDeleteWhen did Nawal El Sadawi said that male circumcism increase the chances of caughting HIV? Please provide a link for your claim.
ReplyDeleteI think that Nawal would still be against it even if it is recommended to decrease chances of caughting HIV. It is absurd to rely on circumstances as a defense of HIV. Other means of protection should be applied.
No one argues that circumstancism makes it cleaner, but what Nawal argues I think that it isnt necessary to subject our young boys to such operation that may cause harm more than benefit especially in old days with the lack of good medical staff.
Great post Zeinobia. Very useful one.
ReplyDeleteHats off
I object at you using the term islmioc world. Because at the present Arabism and the Arab identity is undr a ferocious attack from Iran, a terrorist barabric enemy full of grudge against Arabs and their civilsation. Untill that hands of that enmy are cut off Iraq and we have had them out of our world for good, we shaould never use the term Islamic world. As Iran is masquaraded as an islamic country- while 15% of population according to Irani offcial figures are zoroastars. The actuasl figures must be at least double the official one.
Also their version of shiisim( not all shiisim) the Irani safavid shiisim is nothing but persian racism and chauvinism disguised behind some wiered doctrines that have its roots in zoroatarianism.
There, they are putting forward the image of an islamic nation to to glue their multi ethnic barabric country together , and to divert attention of Arabs from their crimes and plans for Iraq andthe rest of the Arab world
I also suggest that you make a series of posts about the retard sheikh Metwali El-Shaarawy, we really need to smash that idol and his likes.
In the States boys are circumcized before they are released from the hospital as newborns. Also, even though many Christians do not practice circumcision for males, Catholics do (as far as I know.)
ReplyDelete@Qwaider, I didn't know about it except today , nice by the way and I think you are right because circumcision is not the only way to fight back Aids, and other muslim practices regarding Sex and its prohitbion for extramarital relationships and homosexuality helped alot
ReplyDeletebut when I think in the Aids problem in Africa especially I found that it is always related about Sex , don't forget the blood transfer , the huge problem
I think Circumcision is a way to less the percentage of having aids for about 45% for example and this is connected to sex
of course the only way to combat it related to sex is like what Islam ordered us at least that is what I think
@the observer , well I do not have the lin know but I know for sure that women union made a buzz about in Egypt for two years ago as usual , yes it can be painful but it is protective , also for centuries it had been practiced and no one said that it is harmful or bad , surely the medical services now is better and people now prefer to have their babies boys circumcised as soon as possible so they won't feel the pain for some time
Nawal El-Sadawy and her supporters despite her medical background do not look it from the medical point of view as much as I think they only want to attack any Islamic or religious practice
@Amr , wait minute Iran is not the only Islamic country beside the Arab world , I don'tneed to tell the names of other Islamic countries which are under the attack from the west due to the misconceptation of Islam and I will use Islamic world because I feel this is related to the Islamic world not the Arabic world only
@Vagabond, I never knew that Catholics practice circumcision !!
Zeinobia, I checked the stats for the US, and although circumcision rates are falling from 85% in 1985 to 57% in 2004, most Western boys are circumcised. It is low in the West 35%, and 79% in central USA.
ReplyDeleteChristians have followed the Jewish tradition of circumcision, as far as I know. Whether Catholic or Protestant.
Dare I say it, but you may have some misconceptions about the West, too! we all have holes in our knowledge somewhere (like where did you find that bit about the Byzantines arguing over the gender of angels? There WAS a bit more going on at the time than that!)
Aaah Nawal El Se3dawi... whenever i hear the name i have to giggle.
ReplyDeleteBy the way (for non-muslims\non0arabs),
ReplyDeleteIn Muslims\Arab countries muslim boys are circumcized before they are released from the hospital as newborns.
Rarely do people wait after that to do it.
@Kinzi,thanks for correcting my information , believe me I didn't know before that Christians in the States circumcisied their boys , already Christians in Egypt and Arab world don't circumcisied their boys and that's why I made my conclusion
ReplyDeleteabout the gender of angels well it is famous example in our history ,historians always say it and that's my source
I used to warn people , may be there were more than that , but that's what the elite class was busy with
@fadfadation,I thought people circumcisied boys after that , well anyhow it is better that way