This is Ramadan 2013 in Egypt. It is true and sad. We are losing friends because of political differences.Families are truly split between supporters and opponents whether with Morsi or with the military or with none.
I do not know if we will be able to reconcile or not whether politically or socially. Still what I know very well that reconciliations are hard now as we have a lot of blood on the hands of everybody. It is hard especially with the amount of hate and polarization spreading like fire through the mainstream media.
We have a lot of hate in Egypt fake words will not stop it.We can not also deny it and claim it is only online.
There is increasing trend among a group of people that support the ousting of Morsi that there should not be any reconciliation not only with Muslim brotherhood but with the Islamists in general because we are now fighting what they believe "a war against terrorism".
Of course MB leading figures as well some of the brotherhood's radical members are giving the impression that we are indeed in some holy war. What you see in Foreign media is different from what we see in Rabaa Adaawayia as well social media
There are clashes , there are news about bombs found in Cairo and Giza while Christians are being attacked in Upper Egypt and soldiers are targeted in Sinai as well.
This is beside the huge awful role the mainstream media is playing in spreading incitement and hate. The mainstream media especially private channels are playing the same role the 7 Islamist TV channels closed down earlier this month were playing before ousting Morsi. The same exact role but without religious tough , it is rather a nationalist tough. I believe things would have better if those channels were closed as well temporarily just like those religious channels.Brainwashing and incitement are 24/7 in Egyptian TV channels with news that are mostly rumors , just as we used to see in the religious TV channels. Truth is enough I swear.
You can read comments calling for the exclusion of the Islamists in Facebook and Twitter and you will feel there is no hope. It is not a big secret that there is another group of people believes that reconciliation is only with the Mubarak regime remnants where as the Islamists got no place in Egypt except jail.
Sadly enough those people do not realize that oppression against Islamists in the past 80 years was the main reason.
Of course on the other side the Islamsits have to rethink and learn from their deadly sins in the past 2 years and to stop thinking in the "Us in heaven Vs. you in hell". They have to understand that this is diverse nation and its diversity is a strength point and not weakness. They have to give up their hate speech and their preachers stop to brainwash their followers. If they do care for democracy "as they are claiming now" and reject the so-called military rule then they have to stop the threats language and to engage once again in the political process. They have to stop attacking the people by calling them the slaves of military. They have to stop attacking the Church and Christians. They have to understand that Morsi is no longer the President and he will not come back.
Already the continuing threats language used by MB leading figures and supporters give an opportunity to the Mubarak police state to be requested by popular demand just like the military intervention on 30 June 2013.
What the MB has done and is doing without will affect Political Islamism in Egypt for the upcoming 5 years.Already I do not think they will be able to win any democratic elections in the upcoming 4 years if we have a full and fair accountability for what happened only during ousted President Morsi's time. Accountability and justice are the key for true reconciliation.
If you start to oppress the Islamists in the past and exclude them from the scene , ten years if not 5 years they will return back more radical especially if democracy fails and we return back again to dictatorship.
All what I am asking my fellow Egyptians is to start to think away from all the distractions , emotions and media lies about the future for real. All what I am asking now from the authorities to apply law and justice equally on all Egyptians without bias , without lies or retouches. I want true accountability with a true reconciliation process.
In order to avoid the fate of both Algeria and Egypt in 1990s for real , to have better a new future there should be a true a reconciliation based on justice for all. You can not speak about exclusion and then speak about complete national reconciliation , you would be fooling yourself.
Also I have got to tell my dear Egyptian friends that after decades of civil war in Lebanon , they had to sit down together and even the enemies of yesterday have become the friends despite the blood rivers they dug for each other.
To make things clearer for you and to draw a better image for what is happening in Egypt, I would you like you to read this amazing op-ed by Sarah Carr "on Sheep and infidels"
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I do not know if we will be able to reconcile or not whether politically or socially. Still what I know very well that reconciliations are hard now as we have a lot of blood on the hands of everybody. It is hard especially with the amount of hate and polarization spreading like fire through the mainstream media.
We have a lot of hate in Egypt fake words will not stop it.We can not also deny it and claim it is only online.
There is increasing trend among a group of people that support the ousting of Morsi that there should not be any reconciliation not only with Muslim brotherhood but with the Islamists in general because we are now fighting what they believe "a war against terrorism".
Of course MB leading figures as well some of the brotherhood's radical members are giving the impression that we are indeed in some holy war. What you see in Foreign media is different from what we see in Rabaa Adaawayia as well social media
There are clashes , there are news about bombs found in Cairo and Giza while Christians are being attacked in Upper Egypt and soldiers are targeted in Sinai as well.
This is beside the huge awful role the mainstream media is playing in spreading incitement and hate. The mainstream media especially private channels are playing the same role the 7 Islamist TV channels closed down earlier this month were playing before ousting Morsi. The same exact role but without religious tough , it is rather a nationalist tough. I believe things would have better if those channels were closed as well temporarily just like those religious channels.Brainwashing and incitement are 24/7 in Egyptian TV channels with news that are mostly rumors , just as we used to see in the religious TV channels. Truth is enough I swear.
You can read comments calling for the exclusion of the Islamists in Facebook and Twitter and you will feel there is no hope. It is not a big secret that there is another group of people believes that reconciliation is only with the Mubarak regime remnants where as the Islamists got no place in Egypt except jail.
Sadly enough those people do not realize that oppression against Islamists in the past 80 years was the main reason.
Of course on the other side the Islamsits have to rethink and learn from their deadly sins in the past 2 years and to stop thinking in the "Us in heaven Vs. you in hell". They have to understand that this is diverse nation and its diversity is a strength point and not weakness. They have to give up their hate speech and their preachers stop to brainwash their followers. If they do care for democracy "as they are claiming now" and reject the so-called military rule then they have to stop the threats language and to engage once again in the political process. They have to stop attacking the people by calling them the slaves of military. They have to stop attacking the Church and Christians. They have to understand that Morsi is no longer the President and he will not come back.
Already the continuing threats language used by MB leading figures and supporters give an opportunity to the Mubarak police state to be requested by popular demand just like the military intervention on 30 June 2013.
What the MB has done and is doing without will affect Political Islamism in Egypt for the upcoming 5 years.Already I do not think they will be able to win any democratic elections in the upcoming 4 years if we have a full and fair accountability for what happened only during ousted President Morsi's time. Accountability and justice are the key for true reconciliation.
If you start to oppress the Islamists in the past and exclude them from the scene , ten years if not 5 years they will return back more radical especially if democracy fails and we return back again to dictatorship.
All what I am asking my fellow Egyptians is to start to think away from all the distractions , emotions and media lies about the future for real. All what I am asking now from the authorities to apply law and justice equally on all Egyptians without bias , without lies or retouches. I want true accountability with a true reconciliation process.
In order to avoid the fate of both Algeria and Egypt in 1990s for real , to have better a new future there should be a true a reconciliation based on justice for all. You can not speak about exclusion and then speak about complete national reconciliation , you would be fooling yourself.
Also I have got to tell my dear Egyptian friends that after decades of civil war in Lebanon , they had to sit down together and even the enemies of yesterday have become the friends despite the blood rivers they dug for each other.
To make things clearer for you and to draw a better image for what is happening in Egypt, I would you like you to read this amazing op-ed by Sarah Carr "on Sheep and infidels"
Zeinobia: you hit the nail on the head we kuffar (that is what they call us) have nothing in common with these fascists
ReplyDelete>There is increasing trend among a group of people that support the ousting of Morsi that there should not be any reconciliation not only with Muslim brotherhood but with the Islamists in general because we are now fighting what they believe "a war against terrorism".
Listen this man Mohamed Badie is a criminal and should be in jail for a long time because inciting violence is a crime and he did incite violence and the end result was 100 innocent Egyptians were killed. He is no more that a criminal. He was enjoying his summer in a villa in Marsa Matroh oh and poor stupid young ikhwangiyya are called to fight on his behalf
He was living like a parasite and being called el-murshid! Give a break he is an ignorant man
He is a criminal but only in Egypt where criminals can get away with murder
Oh the other criminal that I will never forget is Rasha Magdi who is also a criminal and she incited people to attack the Copts that were pretesting at Maspero and she should be in jail too
No I have nothing in common with these criminals
Now that you have made your point and we all know that you don't have anything in common with the " poor stupid young ikhwangiyya" and their leaders, move on and forward and work for the future of Egypt and Egyptians. That was the reason for the Egyptian revolutions. If the course Zeinobia is describing above, the real threat: incitement and demonizing the other, continues many more Egyptians will die. Stereotyping is the road to fascism, education is one of the remedies.
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Delete>Now that you have made your point and we all know that you don't have anything in common with the " poor stupid young ikhwangiyya"
You need to read with care what I wrote: I have nothing in common with the likes of the criminals Mohamed Badie and Rasha Magdi
As for the young ikhwangiyya they are victims of this criminal Badie who incited them to violence while he was enjoying his summer in a vila in Marsa Matroh
He is a criminal and they are victims
>and their leaders, move on and forward and work for the future of Egypt and Egyptians. That was the reason for the Egyptian revolutions.
How could you work with someone the likes of Badie who believes that he has a direct phone line with God? you tell us
> If the course Zeinobia is describing above, the real threat: incitement and demonizing the other,
So what did Badie and Rasha Magdi do? We should not forget the victims of these crimes and I will not rest until I see the likes of Badie and Rasha Magdi being in a court of law with the families of the victims being there
>continues many more Egyptians will die.
Then prosecute the likes of Badie and make it clear that inciting violence means jail for a long time
>Stereotyping is the road to fascism,
No we are calling a spade a spade
>education is one of the remedies.
I agree I even go one more step and stop religious education is schools because religions also teach hate
Zeinobia, you raise a number of issues here (intractable 'political differences', the Islamists' wrong-thinking, and 'so-called military rule') that Egypt is facing, but do not provide any insight as to their cause. These issues are all symptoms of a state with a struggling economy and unless that issue is addressed, any attempt at 'reconciliation' for the others is hopeless.
ReplyDeleteUnless action is taken to address the root cause of the discord, these problems will persist. The focus of attention for all Egyptians should be the economy. And the reality that Egypt needs to face is that if it wants its economy to grow and become more viable, Egypt has to become a safe investment for transnational capital. In today's world, there is, unfortunately, no other way. Ideology needs to be put aside, technocrats need to be installed, and the collective goal for all Egyptians needs to be a prosperous Egypt. Then you will see real progress.
"We cannot integrate them into any culture or society. Nor should any sane person reach out to them, because they are advocates of subversion and sabotage. They are professionals at conspiracy and betrayal. We do not want them among us. We do not want them to breed, multiply and thrive in our midst like poisonous insects. Their trials must be neither fair nor impartial, because their justice is not like ours, and their Islam is not our Islam", as published in Al-Watan on July 7.
ReplyDeleteWelcome to the new "liberal"egypt
Laila likes to preach but she also seems to like stretching the truth
Delete>as published in Al-Watan on July 7.
Can you provide us with a link to the article because I do not believe you
Mr. Sawiris, one of Egypt’s richest men and a titan of the old establishment, said Wednesday that he had supported an upstart group called “tamarrod,” Arabic for “rebellion,” that led a petition drive seeking Mr. Morsi’s ouster. He donated use of the nationwide offices and infrastructure of the political party he built, the Free Egyptians. He provided publicity through a popular television network he founded and his major interest in Egypt’s largest private newspaper. He even commissioned the production of a popular music video that played heavily on the network.
Delete“Tamarrod did not even know it was me!” he said. “I am not ashamed of it.”
He said he had publicly predicted that ousting Mr. Morsi would bolster Egypt’s sputtering economy because it would bring in billions of dollars in aid from oil-rich monarchies afraid that the Islamist movement might spread to their shores. By Wednesday, a total of $12 billion had flowed in from Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait. “That will take us for 12 months with no problem,” Mr. Sawiris said.
Ms. Gebali, the former judge, said in a telephone interview on Wednesday that she and other legal experts helped tamarrod create its strategy to appeal directly to the military to oust Mr. Morsi and pass the interim presidency to the chief of the constitutional court.
“We saw that there was movement and popular creativity, so we wanted to see if it would have an effect and a constitutional basis,” Ms. Gebali said.
Egypt's liberal experiment failed in 1920's and 1930's for many reasons! one them is that the election law encourages having an absolute majority in the parliament! Change it!
ReplyDeleteEgypt's economy is almost controlled by right-wing political parties and their representatives. For example, Egyptian Armed Forces controls 40% of it, while Pro-Mubarak rich people control almost the rest of it. Religious organizations and foreign direct investments are the third biggest shareholder of the Egyptian Economy!
Egyptians are focusing on changing the regime politically not economically. You need to build a muscle in the economy not just in politics! Before kicking out, the British and other Westerners, President Nasser nationalized almost all the economy so he can rebuild Egypt according to the needs of the population!
"Before kicking out, the British and other Westerners, President Nasser nationalized almost all the economy so he can rebuild Egypt according to the needs of the population!"
DeleteAnd we are still paying the price of Nasser's idiotic policies. If the choices are between the Muslim Brotherhood and a socialist Nasserist regime, then give us back the Brotherhood.
Anonymous, you should get paid for spamming Zeinobia's blog with annoying long-winded comments. You realize no one cares what you're saying, right? Not to mention that your attempts to write in Arabic are pathetic, another case of a foreigner posing as an Egyptian.
DeleteUnited Egypt for All Egyptians:
DeleteI am sure you know there a lot of people who are "Anonymous" not just one. That was my first comment (not that it matters), and you haven't said anything to dispute my statements. And by the way, you can speak only for yourself, not for any one else.
I was specifically referring to the Anonymous who keeps posting longer essay-type comments which in my opinion are a complete waste of space. I don't need to dispute anything because I don't bother reading them anymore. And by the way, I can speak for myself and for the whole universe if I want, until the blog owner says otherwise :)
DeleteNasser understood that you cannot negotiate with fanatics, so he did the right thing by eradicating them.
ReplyDeleteSadat who was a MB, he mistakenly released them from Nasser's jails in the belief that he could integrate them into society, so they killed him.
Mubarak was too busy filling his and his followers pockets to see the danger MB posed so he was deposed by true Egyptian revolutionaries who's revolution was latter hijacked by the MB.
Conclusion: Egyptians should not trust fanatics...any kind of fanatics!