I did not write anything about it yesterday because I did not have enough information , but today it is more clearer to me. To be honest I was surprised to know that the Hezbollah's channel Al Manar declared that the Militia of Emad Mughniyeh is responsible for the shooting . The surprise came from the fact that the Jewish Seminary school is in the west Bank of Jerusalem, if Hezbollah was behind that operation then it reached to the heart of Israel.
To be honest I do not like nor welcome this sort of operations that targets religious civilians people even if they were radical Jews who want to kill all Muslims and blow up our holy mosques to the build their temple , it is prohibited in Islam to kill a religious holyman , also this sort of operation will give the Zionist media in the world a golden opportunity to stick the "terrorism" label on Hezbollah.
It is stupidity from Hezbollah to sponsor this operation because they are a resistance group attacking Military Israeli targets , till now I believe the best revenge on Mughniyeh's assassination is to target some Mossad or some IDF big planner.
Anyhow the one who did was Ala Abu Dehein from East Jerusalem's Jabel Mukaber neighborhood , He was employed as a driver and held an identity card that Israel issues to Palestinians who live in East Jerusalem.
The target school is from the oldest Jewish Seminary schools in the area ,it was opened in 1924.
By the way it is worth to record my admiration for the Libyan delegation in the Security council who stood against the U.S from issuing a condemnation during the Israeli aggression on Gaza
Merkaz Harav is one of the most incendiary of the yeshivas, where all of the students are in some stage of their military service (the orthodox ones do a mixed service - partially in the military, partially in yeshiva seminaries). And it's organically linked to the settlers' movement in the West Bank.. It is a military target... A SCHOOL is where young kids study and play... I'm sorry this one doesn't pass the definition..
ReplyDeleteIt is ironic that Islam prohibits the killing of religious people yet allows the killing of non-religious ones. The vast majority of non-religious Jews want peace with the Islamic world, and would happily return all the land that was captured in 1967, including eastern Jerusalem, to the Arabs (if they were assured that Arabs would then accept the rest of Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people).
ReplyDeleteThe Jews who are the biggest obstacle to peace are the religious ones, because they believe that god gave the land of Israel (including the territories captured in 1967) to the Jewish people. The overwhelming majority of settlers are religious Jews. The religious Jews are those that are not willing to return any part of Jerusalem.
"It is ironic that Islam prohibits the killing of religious people yet allows the killing of non-religious ones."
ReplyDeleteyeah!!, it is Zeinobia interpretation after all, hillarious, is not it !!
Interesting post :) It is unfortunate what happened. I hope that God just makes it easier on both sides. I consider myself pro-Palestinian, but I do not condone this act. I agree with you that to target religious individuals is simply not something that should be encouraged. It is one thing to attack military forces and another to attack religious individuals.
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ReplyDeleteMy dear Hossam normal average westerns will not consider it a semi military for Orthodox jews who believe they can kill anyone except the jews , you are journalist and currently in the U.S and you know how the media there made it as an attack on civilian religious peaceful people , an attack against the Jew people
this is why we should stay from targets with Religious character
@Israeli blogger ,I forget to correct my post I meant that Islam prohibits killing the holy religious men , like Priests,Monks , I guess the Priests here include rabbis , not only Islam prohibits the killing of religious holy men , but also civilians
I know about the radical jews and how they are consider an Obstacle , but till me ask you do you think that the media in the west give damn to this fact ??
For the media this is a terrorist act against Peaceful religious people
@loudlaughter, I am glad that I make you smile
@Dreamessence ,just like Hossam said it has a militarty side , but it is very hard to those who are not familiar with it to understand or recognize easily as a mIlitary target
I'm against any killing of unarmed civilians.
ReplyDeleteI expect the main factor in why they attacked a school instead of getting someone from the Mossad or IDF as you suggested Zeinobia is chance of success.
It's like the old joke about the guy who lost his keys in a dark alley and went to look for them in a well lit street.
In short, it doesn't make sense, but then neither does what Israel is doing in Gaza. It's also telling how the media handles the death of 8 Israelis differently than dozens of Palestinians.
If any Israeli politician was going to give the order to end the operation in Gaza, these shootings aborted that order.
I'm in Canada and this the the first I heard of the school being anything but.
ReplyDeleteI personally don't think it would change anyone's opinion here as the problem is that time doesn't stop. The first few days of an event like this is when the hero/villian is laid out by media. And they didn't do themselves any favors by picking a target even if military, looked anything but to the world.
I only think of as far as Oklahama bombing for proof.
@Zeinobia - you say "not only Islam prohibits the killing of religious holy men , but also civilians". So how do you explain the rocket attacks on Sderot? These are clearly aimed at civilians. And how about the exploding buses in Israel, or the suicide bombings in shopping malls and markets in Israel? And what about the September 11th attacks on the WTC in NY? I'm not sure you're talking about the same Islam that these people believe in.
ReplyDelete@Hani , do you think that the IDF would have stopped if nothing happened !! and what them start in the first place , for God Sake they do not need this to be provoked
ReplyDelete@Sam , I do not think there is common thing between this incident and the Oklahama building , I just do not get pardon me
@ISraeli blogger , I am sorry but I have my doubts concerning the 9/11 and it is obvious that Muslims and Islam do not approve the killing of the innocent
what is happening in Sedort is simplya reaction for the siege and the shelling of Gaza
and for God sake I watch the news in the last couple of weeks and all I found that the rockets only hit the streets !!
Zeinobia, perhaps, but this sure provided a convenient excuse not to stop. What do you think Israel wants from Gaza ?
ReplyDelete@Zeinobia - "for God sake I watch the news in the last couple of weeks and all I found that the rockets only hit the streets !!": Kassam kills 47-year-old father of 4, Leg of 8 year old Qassam victim amputated. I guess this wasn't highlighted in the Arab media. Local media is never objective (on either side of the border).
ReplyDeleteAnyways, 9/11 aside, you didn't explain your how the exploding busses in Israel were in line with your view that Islam doesn't approve of the killing of innocent people.
@Israeli blogger with all respect what about the babies under 3 years who were killed in the IDF raids , what about the mothers and fathers in Gaza who are not members in the militia who are killed and injured on a daily base , whose houses are completely destroyed , who got no only 4 but 5 and 6 children ,is not that a sort of terrorism to kill innocent people using forbidden weapons !!??
ReplyDeletewhy do you think that this 40 years old is more important than the 6 month baby ??
"why do you think that this 40 years old is more important than the 6 month baby ??"
ReplyDeleteWhy do you believe that I think so? I am as sad about the innocent Palestinians that were killed as I am sad about the innocent Israelies that were killed.
You still didn't answer my question, though: you claim that Islam prohibits the killing of civilians. Yet we in Israel keep witnessing religious Islamic people (please note that I didn't say "terrorists") purposely killing innocent Israeli civilians. I'm not saying that Israelis are any better - I'm just really interested in finding out what you think of this?
@Israeli blogger, I want to add something in this conflict Muslim Arabs are not alone , you got also the Christian Arabs , anyhow about the Israeli civilians , you can consider it as an eye for eye thing ,again I would like to hint something I want you to count the number of the Israeli civilians and the number of the Palestinian civilians and see the difference before speaking as if the Palestinians have nothing to do except killing Israeli women and children , strangely the IDF does it day and night with forbidden weapons and your people consider it as defense , well the Palestinians consider that bombing and shelling cities is a defense
ReplyDeleteZeinobia - I understand from combining what you've written in the post and in the comments that you think the Jewish Seminary is an "eye for an eye" act - and it is justified (because the IDF has killed more Palestinian civilians than the Arabs have killed Israeli civilians), but you don't like nor welcome this sort of operation. Am I correct? (I'm just trying to make sure that I understand your point of view correctly).
ReplyDelete@Israeli blogger , I do not like the operations that the civilians kill in but in this unequal conflict ,there are no rules , I do not know if you will agree with me or not but this school actually was a military target but not many people know that this about the students and their military services
ReplyDeletewhy do not I like this ?? well first as I said Islam prohibits the killing of holy religious men in conflicts , second because in the media outside they would considered as an act of terrorism made by evil Muslim Arab without any consideration to the background,this is why I prefer and recommend real military targets
about the civilians in Sedorat , let me ask you something does the IDF care if there are civilians in the buildings they bomb in Gaza , it is same thing
So what you're saying is that each side keeps killing innocent people, but justifies its acts to its own people as "necessary because the other side is barbaric", right?
ReplyDelete@Israeli Blogger, look when you kill from the other side like the way the IDF did and is doing then the other side will not have anything to you except hate and disrespect , how on earth he will think that you are human just like him if you kill his kids ,his wife , blow his house ,put him in siege , take his land , how do you think that he will feel or think ?
ReplyDeletewe are humans not angels
people kill each other for even less important reasons
I am enjoying this conservation because it seems that you are trying to understand something your media and regime for years tried to erase , for years you taught that Arabs hate us and they want war without a clear explanation , I doubt that if the photos of what your IAF had caused in 1967 from death were published worldwide and in Israel ,that you would be so happy with that victory that did not last too long , insh Allah I will scan some of the photos of the Suez cities after the shelling and strikes in 5th of June , the IAF hit the civilian cities not only the airports and what they did ,well let's just say Qana in Lebanon was a picnic compared to them , my mom's uncle lived in Suez and his daughter remembers till now the bodies and the people trying to escape from the IAF , you will tell that we had a war fine between each other but why bombing the civlian cities with forbidden weapons
it is the same thing in Palestine , in Lebanon and in Syria
do you got what I am saying !!??
@Zeinobia, I agree very much with your last comment. Your words, "when you kill from the other side like the way the IDF did and is doing then the other side will not have anything to you except hate and disrespect , how on earth he will think that you are human just like him if you kill his kids ,his wife , blow his house ,put him in siege , take his land , how do you think that he will feel or think? we are humans not angels" - these words are very true.
ReplyDeleteThe interesting thing is that these words remain very true even if you replace the word "IDF" with the word "Arabs".
My father was born in Jerusalem in 1942. His cousin was killed in the 1948 war. I grew up with stories of how my dad, when he was 6 years old, had to evade the bullets of Jordanian snipers on his way to school. The jewish citizens of Jerusalem were under siege at the time by the Arab armies. They did not have enough food and water. I grew up "knowing" that "the Arabs want to throw us into the sea", because that's what the Arab leaders said. About 16 years ago, a 14 year old girl was shot dead by a Palestinian - right in the middle of the small city I lived in at that time. The horrible pictures of torn body parts of Israeli civilians killed by suicide bombers - right after Yitshak Rabin started a peace process - remain in the minds of most Israelis. Naturally, Israelis grow up with the misconception that Arabs are not human like us.
It took me a long time to start understanding how we Israelis are perceived by the other side, and your blog is helping me do that. Our media keeps showing us pictures of killed Israeli civilians. Your media keeps showing you similar pictures, but of killed Arabs. The media never shows the whole truth.
It is not surprizing that we are finding parallels between the way our peoples treat each other. Each side is finding it very difficult to see the humanity in the other side.
@Israeli Blogger , now I guess you understand our feeling and the Palestinian feelings
ReplyDeleteI just want to add something the Israeli gov't policy towards the Palestinians is not doing any good on the contrary , your gov't is not look ing for peace at all with those actions , pressure leads to explosion this important fact
This link seems relevant to our discussion: Geert Wilders - Fitna the movie (Official English)
ReplyDeleteI watched until point 6:46 in the movie. The scene at that point was too much for me, and I'm sorry I watched it. There is violence from the Israeli side too, but I have never heard of an Israeli soldier doing something like that - not to mention actually filming it and showing it off proudly.
The movie is very political, and I would classify it as propaganda. It goes to great lengths to make it appear as if killing nonbelievers is the calling of Islam. I hope the movie is wrong. Is it?
@Israeli blogger ,I read about this film , seriously you want to know what I think , well I believe that this film is just like the Nazi propaganda against the Jewish people ,I saw once a documentary made by the Nazis ,it is famous one attacking the Jews , also the posters
ReplyDeleteif you notice it is the same thing just difference in time ,religion and ethnics
Part of the attack is the attack on the different ethnic backgrounds
, Jihad El-Hazan the famous Arabic Journalist who lives in London said that we became the Jews of the 21 century ,
About our religion , unfortunately the westerns misunderstand the Quran meanings nor the situations concerning each verses , nor the fact that the Arabic language of the Holy Quran is very complicated
Let him say what he wants
In the end the Nazis became History
Hi Zeinobia,
ReplyDeleteIn continuation to our previous discussion here - I'm wondering whether the Arab media has reported about the Grad rocket that was fired from Gaza today and hit the Israeli city of Ashkelon. This rocket badly wounded a 2 year old baby, her mother and a few other civilians. I'm also wondering if the killing of an Israeli women a few days ago by a Qassam rocket was also reported.
In the eyes of the Israeli public , the hitting of civilians in Ashkelon is a very major escalation. The government will be under serious pressure to act against Hamas - so I'm wondering if this is somehow portrayed in the Arab media.
@Israeli Blogger , yes the news were mentioned in the Arabic media , by the way we mention what happens in Israel in a way more honest than the Israeli media with the Palestinians news
ReplyDeleteregarding this incident to be honest and speak truly it did not leave any effect because of the very big record of the IDF war crimes against the women and children in Gaza
not to mention the date , you are celebrating the declaration and we are mourning the Nakba and remembering the massacres of the gangs
sorry I.B , the massacres of the palestinian villages by the zionist gangs
ReplyDeleteThanks Zeinobia. I appreciate your point of view.
ReplyDeleteIf I may ask a favor: as part of my continuing attempts to understand both sides, I've written a short post in which I describe what I suspect are the "common" views of the situation, in both the Israeli and Arab publics. The post is titled Rockets, casualties, Gaza, Lebanon: two points of view . I would really appreciate your critique.
Its really good that you are havign this open dialog and I think its very important that more people do the same. It can only help us understand each other and hopefully bring about change and peace. @Israeliblogger, the 'Arabs' of Palestine are PALESTINIAN, please stop calling them Arab. Many of them have Arab blood if that makes any sense and yes they are mostly muslim and of course speak arabic but they are somewhat different to actual Arabian Arabs. Palestinians are very mixed in other words so its better to call them Palestinian as its their nationality. Peace
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