Egyptian Chronicles: Osama Bin Laden is officially dead

Monday, May 2, 2011

Osama Bin Laden is officially dead

U.S President Obama announced that Osama Bin Laden has officially been killed by the US forces last night in a small speech about that big operation , the most expensive operation to hunt down one person in history I suppose !!
President Obama on death of Osama bin Laden
A team of U.S. Navy seals with the help of “Surgical” U.S. helicopter stormed the Bin Laden’s compound in the Pakistani city Abbottabad “the most famous city in the world today” after receiving orders from Obama. Their operation was not to capture Bin Laden but to kill. After some clash with the Ben Laden’s guards , they captured Bin Laden or rather killed him and then possessed the body to make sure it is his. Other than Ben Laden , 3 men were killed including Osama’s son and two guards , two women allegedly used as human shields were injured while another woman “Allegedly Bin Laden’s wife” was killed as well. No American was harmed in the process.
The U.S. officials claimed that Bin Laden was prepared for burial according Islamic traditions and rituals and that he was buried in the sea !!! Here is a video from Pakistani Geo TV showing the fires resulted from the raid last night
Geo TV- Osama Bin Laden raid
According to Daily Telegraph , this is the Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad

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Here is a photo gallery for coupe of photos from Getty images and Reuters showing the compound at the World City of the day.

Here is another photo for the compound in Abbottabad by a friend of the blogger who live blogged the Bin Laden raid without knowing it. 

Suhaib Ather has become the world blogger/tweep of the day with his coverage to the raid without knowing it. Ather shared with the world a photo from the city away from the raid and it seems to me a beautiful city.
Ironically this photo reminds with the scenes of the mid west cities and towns in the States !! Speaking about the States , I saw the videos of the celebrations yesterday following the announcement reminded me with the celebrations of February 11,2011 so much.
According to Robert Fisk , the MENA veteran correspondent who sat with #OBL 3 times  the American celebrations are meaningless now , the Arab spring revolutions are much more important.
There are lot of questions surrounding this operation :
  • According to Obama , the US located Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan last August , then why they chose yesterday in particular to launch this operation against him !? Obama needed a political triumph during that time if I am not mistaken.
  • Why did not the navy seals capture him alive !? The information this man knows are too damn valuable , yes the official story says that he resisted .. blah blah blah. Still I do not understand that you can use tranquilizers to make him sleep and transfer in to another place so he would open his eyes to find himself in front of a court. Some people began already to argue that this is against human rights and that Bin Lade should have treated as POW.
  • Why did they really throw him to the Sea ? They even claimed that they buried him in the sea !? what burial sea !? Abbottabad is closed city away from any sea !? It is not from Islamic traditions or rituals to bury someone in the sea or throw his body in the sea. Muslim Clerics worldwide questioned this burial above them the Sheikh of El Azhar Ahmed El-Tiyab who openly criticized the burial.  “ It would not have happened during the Mubarak era”
  • It is not about the Islamic ritual but about the fact we need to see the body to make sure that he is dead. Of course we found a silly justification from the Americans and the Pakistanis that did not want his tomb to turn in to a shrine like for instance Saddam Hussein tomb. “or the alleged Saddam Hussein tomb as his daughter says that daddy is alive !!” Why I call it silly well theoretically Bin Laden’s Islamic beliefs which are considered a mix of Wahbism and so-called Salafism prohibit this. His followers will not visit his tomb and turn it in to a shrine , they are against shrines and they destroy them.
  • Did not they announce that Osama Bin Laden was already dead during the G.W Bush’s second !? People say that he was killed in 2001 !!
The photo of what it seems Osama bin Laden’s dead body turned to be fake , another Photoshop production.
Fake photo beware 
People online have mixed reactions , of course we Egyptians are busy with our homeland jazz so are the Libyans and Syrians , yet we did not forget that accordingly Al Qaeda no.1 now is none other the Maadi boy Ayman El-Zahawary whose own brother had been released after years in jail then was re-arrested again. There is a lot of anticipation worldwide and Egypt is not exceptional.
Despite the American president’s speech and the announcement that the US forces verified the body as Ben Laden’s using DNA  , the DNA results have not yet been announced according to CNN’s sources.


  1. CNN reported that the Americans did just learn about a messenger in August who could be a lead to Osama. Only now they were sure that they had him.
    Interesting that the Pakistani government pretends they did not know Osama's whereabouts. I don't buy this. You cannot trust the Pakistanis.

    As for the burial, come on! Who cares? It makes sense to me that they headed to the ship with the helicopter after the raid. However, whether they dumped the body into a garbage bin or dumped into the sea - who cares. They should have buried him with a pig. That would have been proper.

    Let's hope Gaddafi and his off-spring are next.

  2. Why no congratulations to the USA for a job well done, Zeinobia? All you have to offer is a tedious list of "questions surrounding this operation?" and an opening sneer about how it was "the most expensive operation to hunt down one person in history"?

    You're practically the president of the Hamas fan club, Z., as you showed us with your exultation of how they mended fences with Fatah. That's the same Hamas that condemns the killing of "holy warrior" bin Laden.

    Your post is dishonest. Your mask is slipping. You hate that this succeeded.

  3. Yea, I think too this post is sensationalist or even conspiracy minded, but I don't blame, if she feels so she feels so.

    Nothing in my mind seems suspicious about US actions. Killed? Well he was supposed to be caught dead or alive, he resisted and was killed.

    Timing? Any timing would have caused fuzz. All momentous events collide with other events in history. Similar logic can be applied to Egypt revolution by looking for timing when there wasn't any.

    Buried at sea, so what? Being "accordance with Islam" is fuzzy at best, just like anything being accordance with any non-strictly defined ideology. Apparently 24-hour limit seems more important than looking for country wanting Osama.

    Already dead? That GWB's "Mission Accomplished" crap was just that, crap. It didn't advertise death of Osama.

  4. Bin Laden's death is the biggest blow America could deliver against radical Islam. "thank President George W. Bush, who promised justice and set the wheels in motion for its delivery, as well as President Barack Obama"

    Our Pakistani "allies in the war on terror" had been secretly sheltering bin Laden. The US special forces action was done without warning the Pakistanis, within a couple hundred yards of a military installation. What a well-deserved public humiliation.

    Previously to this action there had been worldwide condemnation, especially in the European Union, about "targeted killings" being against international law, but no one is complaining about that now. Michael Rubin says If Americans can kill a master terrorist targeting civilians then Israel too should be able to target Hamas leaders in Gaza, Damascus, Oslo, or Dubai, wherever they may be.


  5. Most Egyptians sit around and try to justify everything the US does. Yet they let Mubarak lead to like animals for almost 30 years. There is a saying..sweep in front of your door before you try to sweep in front of someone elses door. This goes for you Egyptians have many things in your country that needs to be fix. It is sad you people waste so much time and energy on worrying about the USA instead to using in to try and figure ways to get people out of the cemeteries, teach people hygiene ,look at most of your people teeth, no wonder you holy people dont smile.. need i say no more...

  6. Kill Bin Laden

    Oussama Ben Laden n’est plus…
    Je voudrais envoyer aux plus proches du défunt un petit billet pour leur exprimer mes doléances plutôt que mes condoléances…
    Mais je ne sais pas à qui les adresser.
    A l’Amérique qui en a fait un guerrier puis un meurtrier et enfin un fou à lier qui croyait détenir le verbe sacré.
    A Israël, qui n’a jamais feint de le craindre, mais qui a néanmoins subtilisé son anathème pour transformer ses élus en électeurs et ses ennemis en états unis.
    Ou bien aux services secrets du monde entier qui ont fait semblant de le pourchasser ou fait exprès de l’épargner.
    Mais tout compte fait, on ne dira jamais à qui ses crimes ont profité sous peine de se mettre à dos
    tous les réseaux de la désinformation.
    Quant à l’Arabie, elle n’a désormais plus rien à se reprocher, elle peut se rapprocher de Dieu et cesser de lui cacher son jeu : en lui avouant enfin qu’à part l’or noir, tout le reste est blanc…
    Ben Laden est mort… mais ses ombres navrantes sont toujours flottantes dans la mémoire de chaque homme, qui sait que la vérité n’est qu’un tissu de contre-vérités.

  7. Bin Laden is being buried in the sea so that no one knows where his body is. They don't want his grave to become a terrorist shrine which people flock to. Islamic guidelines were followed when preparing his body, but security for America trumps any religious edicts in practice- therefore, they threw his body into the sea even if that is not permissible.
    As for why America waited till now to kill him, they started getting info since August 2010, but because he was hiding in an urban area and not a cave in some mountainous region- they had to be absolutely certain. They wanted to cause as few casualties as possible, so they waited until the evidence was undeniable- evidence and action takes longer when you work through legal and ethical channels unlike the ways we were used to under Mubarak.

  8. The cowardly jihadist grabbed his wife for a shield, LOL.

    Arutz Sheva: Arabs Riot in Jerusalem Over Bin Laden's Demise, Hamas Angry. No surprise. The Palis celebrated 9/11 enthusiastically.

    Musharraf: Bin Laden mission violated Pakistan sovereignty. He added that it would have been “far better if Pakistani Special Services Group had operated and conducted the mission.” HAHAHA suuuure.

    QUETTA: Hundreds took to the streets of Quetta on Monday to pay homage to Osama bin Laden, chanting death to America and setting fire to a US flag. Oh, how delicious are their tears.

    @lejournaldepersonne. Cool story, bro. Somehow French is the perfect language for pretentious nonsense.

  9. One of those Taiwanese computer animations about the bin Laden operation.

  10. This story is just a political tool, and a distraction from the arab revolutions the US are trying to setback right now. Frankly, I don't care if he's dead or not. He was a pawn of the ISI and the US in the past, and is a non-factor in terms of the political dynamics of the Middle East. Now, Americans will need to find a new boogeyman to justify their imperialism though.

  11. Good fucking riddance!!! Mankind as a whole is better off. He and people who follow his ideology are what ruined Islam and are responsible for the current state of Islam. I find it very disturbing that a not so minor bulk of Egyptians (from what I gathered on various online publications) consider him a martyr and a hero for Islam.

    His death means absolute nothing of course other than a symbolic victory, the dude was just an idiot with a lot of money and didn't know what to do with it, he was almost like he was Ayman El-Zawahri's sugar daddy.
    A lot of people criticizing the Americans for celebrating the death of a human being, that it's a bit tasteless and uncivilized, I don't know, I consider the mass-murdering of innocent people a bit tasteless and uncivilized too. A tie maybe?
    People celebrated the news of Hilter's death, Munchkins of Munchkin-land celebrated the death of the Witch of the West....

    I must say tough, the way this whole thing has been played out has been a bit theatrical, from the behind the scenes photos released, late night emergency speech...etc. It all felt like a movie.

  12. @Anonymous "Frankly, I don't care if he's dead or not." Sour grapes.


  14. Why is everyone hating on this article?? She raises some very good points. If someone (gov't) lies to u all the time about important issues, are u going to believe them about a major issue when they are not providing proof? No. Bin Laden was just the scapegoat, wake up people!! Don't just act like sheep believing everything u are told, use ur brains. If u study history, u will understand. I'm not sure if they killed him or not, but if they did, why not capture him (shoot him with a tranquilizer or something)? The people need to know the truth, but I guess we'll never get that anymore

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  16. Americans must be the dumbest, most gullible people on earth.

    Bin Laden was reported dead back in late December, 2001. Before that, he had been regularly granting interviews and issuing videos in which he commented on current events. In these videos, there could be no doubt it was him, and he aged as a person normally would.

    After December 2001, when he was reported dead by witnesses who attended his funeral and burial, there were no more interviews. Some mysterious and blurry videos emerged, in which he sometimes looked younger than he used to be, sometimes like a completely different person. The videos were "found" by US Special Forces or by Mrs. Rita Katz, an Israeli housewife who received millions of dollars from the Pentagon for her great work finding "Al Qaeda" videos online.

    In these strange videos, in which the sound rarely matched the images, and which the US government never allowed anybody else to independently verify, "Fat Osama" and "Young Osama" conveniently corroborated whatever latest propaganda the US government was pushing, and justified whatever new aggression the US wanted to launch. After a while, the US government no longer bothered to show the videos, they just said that they had them and described the contents.

    Cut to May, 2011. America's economy has been gutted because of trillions of dollars in borrowed money having been wasted in bloody, criminal wars based on lies. The famous US Constitution has been similarly gutted by succeeding governments using the "War On Terror" to justify previously inconceivable violations of citizens' and non-citizens' rights. Tens of millions of Americans are homeless, without access to medical care and unemployed with no prospect of employment. America is hated around the world as a torturing, invading, mass murdering rogue state.

    Obama has reneged on every one of his promises and instead channeled even more borrowed money to the US military-industrial complex, to the bankers who destroyed America's financial system by engineering the largest Ponzi scheme in human history, and to the Zionists who are constantly asking for, and getting, more billion$ from the same government while entire American states are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy.

    But none of that matters now: Obama got Osama. On May 1, within a few hours, according to the latest story from the truth-tellers in Washington, a crack team of super-duper elite special forces attacked his house, shot him, confirmed his DNA and dumped his body into the sea, all in time for the 11:00 news. They also burned down the house he was supposedly living in.

    By 12:30am, a big crowd of happy Murkins were waving the flag and loving Obama. The White House is saying that the War on Terror, far from being over, will now be further escalated. All is well.

  17. Dear american friends,

    I can understand your relief about Usama bin Ladens death. But I have to say that I am deeply disturbed about the scenes I have to see in television from the States. How can anybody go out to the streets and celebrate the execution of someone? There is no doubt that OBL was not the nice guy next door and has quite some terrorist record. I hope nobody questions that. But can there be any reason to celebrate the death of a human being? To say it very directly: What happened is an execution, a murder of a person without any trial. Needlessly to say that there should have been a fair trial. This is a basic human right and even the US are in no position to descide otherwise. Sadly enough they often do - mainly with people they are unsure if there would be enough hard evidence to sentence them in a fair trial.

    What happened in Pakistan yesterday was definitely against international law. There can be no discussion about that. The only question is if the US have the right to do everything they wish. As far as I have learned there are some rules that apply to everyone. Needlessly to say that there is the same point concearning Gitmo. If the US do not like the rules they have to make an attempt to change them. What is happening all to often is a form of self-justice on a more abstract scale.

    As of Zeinobia I just want to agree that there is more than one question that needs to be answered. Even if some guys here are in a mood to celebrate that does not answers the questions that need to be raised.

    I am writing this in the complete knowlege of what OBL has done. But there is the question if we want to be better than these damn terrorists.

  18. 1 - The raid took place as part of a honorable exit strategy from Afghanistan. 2 - Bin Laden is being buried at sea(???) because there are questions still to be asked about the the truth of the criminal twin tower events thus the real reasons behind the Invasion would be made clearer. Had he not been made to "disappear", these questions would have been asked by many.

  19. Bin Laden is gone and we are all the better of for it however there are questions to be asked and these will remain unanswered. Almost forever, we will be restricted in comprehending the raid in Pakistan, firstly we are told Bin Laden had to be killed and that we cannot verify as the man is dead, but reason tells us that under the circumstances from the American side and the Pakistan side, dead is more convenient than alive because of the complexity behind the truth of the US/Pakistan relation, the criminality of the twin tower event which with the death of Bin Laden the matter could be shelved and the Afghanistan exit campaign all best served with "dead rather than alive". If we were living in a legally binding world where International law reigns supreme, then the Raid could be probably be considered illegal since it violated international laws, that is assuming that Pakistan was not part of the whole game and that we will never know either but I have my reservations, but the second illegality is that by undertaking a burial at sea, they have actually destroyed evidence, the first is evidence in terms of body identification which should be met a matter of legal course, and secondly, evidence as it relates to the twin tower events for which Bin Laden is held accountable and the invasion of Afghanistan matters which the whole world want to know about from the horses mouth.
    You see when every problem appear to have a perfect solution, and where every solution has been destroyed or has some far fetching too good almost a mathematically accurate fit, then reasonable becomes too perfect that is when we start to think in terms of well crafted scripts. I love movies, and for two decades good movies out of Hollywood have become a rarity as most Hollywood scripts really are bad, but no fear, there have been plenty of fantastic scripts around coming out of the Washington stables, and this probably is the latest, what next (Justification to free Libyan Oil perhaps for the sake of democracy? perhaps).

  20. OBL is a diversion from the real perpetrators behind 911. More than 100 people knew building 7 will collapse hours before it happened. Search building 7 & 911 for yourself. Repeating the lies and controlling the media, in spite of zillion of errors, and omissions and inconsistencies make them believable to the masses.

    The tightly controlled US media is designed to create, per Alice,' the dumbest, most gullible people on earth'.

  21. Breaking news: Drudge Report says death photo forthcoming.

  22. @Jason , we do not watch Bollywood films and they are not popular anymore in Egypt and most Arab countries,it is popular in the Gulf due to the fact there is a large Indian population there.Indian films are usually mocked in the region
    The only Indian film that made to our cinemas is My Name is Khan , this shows the level of films we are speaking about here , cheap Bollywood films got no influence what so ever

  23. If the US understand anything at all they should NOT release any photos.

  24. OK Z, on Egyptian movie preferences you know better than me.

    @Anonymous "OBL is a diversion from the real perpetrators behind 911." And who might they be? [trollface.jpg]

    @Ahmed, Why shouldn't USA release photos?

  25. Osama bin Laden dead – but no body. Now for an explosion of conspiracy theories has this spot-on quote from Damien Thompson:

    "The Islamic world is amazingly receptive to what I call “counterknowledge”. Let’s start by reminding ourselves that most people in Muslim countries have their doubts about 9/11, and millions of them believe unquestioningly that it was plotted by the CIA. One of the most important features of what sociologists call the cultic milieu is that political and religious extremists happily exchange conspiracy theories, irrespective of their origin. We’ve seen this in the popularity of the far-Right Russian Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the Arab world. We’ve also seen young, Left-wing disciples of Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore happily draw on 9/11 “truther” theories constructed in the American fascist underground."

  26. Jason quoted: "The Islamic world is amazingly receptive to what I call “counterknowledge”.

    I suppose you mean "counterknowledge", as opposed to "knowledge" that there really were WMDs being manufactured in mobile laboratories in Iraq, that Saddam Hussein planned 9/11 with Osama bin Laden and was minutes away from nuking Chicago back in 2003, necessitating an immediate and devastating invasion.

    That the "irrefutable proof" of Bin Laden's responsibility for 9/11 which Colin Powell promised he would present to the world, got lost in the mail and that's why 10 years later, nobody's seen it.

    That Ariel Sharon was a "man of peace".

    That Barack Obama is a communist and/or a SECRET MUSLIM.

    That the Zionist lobby in the US is just another lobby, and that Chaim Saban and his fellows are just American patriots.

    That the US invaded Afghanistan to liberate Afghani women and to set up a democracy there.

    That the Palestinians should trust the US to be an "honest broker" between them and Israel.

    That the US government conducted a thorough and independent investigation of 9/11 and that Bush's first choice to lead it, Henry Kissinger, was selected for his impeccable integrity and commitment to the truth.

    That even bothering to look at the massive inconsistencies and holes in the official story of 9/11 means that one is a "fascist". It is "progressive" not to question what the government tells you, even when its official statements contradict each other or describe things that are physically impossible or do not jibe with the actual evidence.

    That America is a force for good in the world and respects international law and human rights.

    That Hollywood movies and television do not consistently propagate outrageously racist and ignorant portrayals of Arabs and Muslims and justify mass murder against Arab and Muslim people.

    That the "War on Terror" is all about "fighting terrorism" and has nothing to do with destroying Arab and Muslim nations and grabbing their resources or serving Zionist ambitions.

    That the people kidnapped in Afghanistan and transported to secret CIA prisons where they were tortured for years, some to death, were all, or mostly, or partly terrorists.

    I could go on and on about all the things we Arabs are too "cultic" to believe, unlike the intelligent and well-informed Americans (especially those who are eager for more wars because they will precipitate the Rapture).

    I'd also be interested to compare the readership of the Protocols in the US vs that in the Arab world, if you have the figures, as well as the statistics about how many Americans believe Muslims worship Satan and practise terrorism as a religious obligation.

  27. @DJ
    the usual scene that we see on our screens is Muslims dancing once Americans are murdered (by Muslims). Now the picture is reversed and you know what? IT JUST FEELS GREAT!
    Fair trial? Not required. OBL boasted about his terrorist crimes all the time. So what do you want to trial him for? Execution is the verdict and so it was done and hopefully will be done to each and everyone who is a follower.

  28. haha. Don’t Worry: Osama Was Shot in Accordance with Islamic Tradition. "the most important thing to us is showing religious respect. We didn’t like how Osama was responsible for murdering thousands of innocent men, women, and children, but that was just one aspect of the man. Another aspect was that he was a Muslim — and that was a good part of him that we greatly respect. Because Islam is a great religion. Really great. Personally, I don’t practice it, but others do, and they really seem to like it. So, while we didn’t like the terrorist side of Osama, I think everyone understands that we still need to celebrate the Muslim side of him and give it the respect it deserves."

  29. @Jason
    Releasing photos of his dead corpse will only further glorify him and perpetuate sympathies for "Osama the Marytr"


  31. @Alice, the crazy-pearls you spout make Damien Thompson's point exactly. Just to give a few examples:

    (1) You appear to think that "Saddam Hussein planned 9/11 with Osama bin Laden and was minutes away from nuking Chicago back in 2003" is a widespread belief. It isn't. I've never heard anyone suggest it except you.

    (2) You appear to think there's some doubt about whether Osama bin Laden was responsible for 9/11. There isn't. Colin Powel has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the assertion.

    (3) You refer to so-called "massive inconsistencies and holes in the official story of 9/11". I love this! Thanks for the opportunity to jeer and laugh at your expense.

    (4) If you think that Hollywood encourages mass murder of Arabs and Muslims, you missed your Thorazine.

    (5) You are morbidly preoccupied with imaginary Zionist plots.

    (6) You appear to think that Americans think Muslims worship Satan. Any American can tell you that Muslims worship Allah swt, should the question come up in Trivial Pursuit.

    You speak sarcastically of "intelligent and well-informed Americans". Unlike Egypt, America has always had a free press. America has had oodles of Nobel Laureate scientists, while Egypt has had only Ahmed Zewail. America's average IQ is fifteen points above Egypt's. America has 99% literacy, Egypt 66%. Yes, Alice, on average, Americans are more intelligent and better-informed.

  32. @Ahmed, you say releasing photos of his corpse will glorify him and perpetuate sympathy for his ostensible martyrdom. I don't think so. The pictures of dead Saddam, Uday and Qusay didn't greatly raise their status. They had the effect of dispiriting the Baathist remnants. Jihadists say they want martyrdom, but there's an old saying, "Everyone wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die." The gruesome pics will emphasize the death side of the equation and discourage recruitment. Anyway, not releasing them would play into the hand of conspiracy theorists like Alice.

  33. J'lem imam: Obama will soon hang. Al-Aqsa Mosque imam vows to avenge killing of Osama bin Laden in Youtube video in Arabic, no subtitles yet, but maybe MEMRI will translate it. 'Dogs should not rejoice too much for killing lions.'

    This beardy bloke may soon be mysteriously martyred ;)

  34. Jason, I'm sorry for you, it must be weird to be so ignorant even about your own country. The only other possible way you could deny that these are all beliefs shared by a substantial proportion of the American population, is if you were dishonest, rather than just hopelessly uninformed and stupid.

    Although I can amply document everything I said, the comments section isn't the right place for it. You can always do a quick web search. I'd suggest you take a break from "laughing and jeering" to do just that, but then you might have to face some uncomfortable truths about your country and how your fellow Americans consistently prefer to believe asinine lies than to prevent the coldblooded murder of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent people.

    Here's one sample of the kind of thing you might find:

    "When the intelligence community was unable to establish Iraq-al-Qaeda links of any significance, Wolfowitz appointed neocons Abram Shulsky and Douglas Feith to set up an “Office of Special Plans” (OFP) in the Pentagon to circumvent the intelligence professionals and manufacture evidence for Iraq-al-Qaeda ties, and for weapons of mass destruction. Virtually all the assertions they came up with (drones capable of delivering WMDs, mobile chemical weapons labs, al-Qaeda flight training center, Niger uranium purchase [which one former intelligence official attributes to neocon Michael Ledeen], sponsorship of the Islamist terrorist al-Zarqawi, etc.) were subsequently discredited. They were manufactured lies allowing Bush (in September 2002) to declare, “You can’t distinguish between al-Qaeda and Saddam.”


    Maybe the best example of the bullshit was neocon Richard Perle’s baseless statement to an Italian journalist in 2002 that 9-11 hijacker “Mohammed Atta met Saddam Hussein in Baghdad prior to September 11. We have proof of that, and we are sure he wasn’t just there for a holiday. The meeting is one of the motives of an American attack on Iraq.” "

    As for America and its "free press", funny you should mention it. I was just on the phone with a close friend who lives in the States, and I kept referring to things she didn't know, even though she watches the tv news for hours every day.

    I said to her, "Well, you know here in Egypt, we have access to a huge variety of sources for our tv news: everything from Al Jazeera, BBC World, CNN, PressTV, Al Manar, FOX, France24 and TV5, Russia Today, local Egyptian state and independent channels, Libyan TV, the Palestinian channels, the Israeli channels, etc., etc. Most are available in Arabic or English. Each is biased, but you can check out both sides of every story. In the States, you mostly have American tv, with one story and one side of the story."

    She was quiet a moment and then she said, "We don't 'mostly' have American TV, we ONLY have American tv, and most of it is sound-bites, infotainment crap and celebrity 'news'!" You don't have a free press, you have a monopoly of media ownership by a handful of fanatic Zionist billionaires like Rupert Murdoch and the Suzberger family, to name only a couple. I challenge you to name one owner or director of a large media conglomerate who is not. Just one.

    No wonder Americans are so dumb, and so confident they know all there is to know that they laugh and jeer when they're confronted with their own ignorance.

    Thank you for illustrating my point.

  35. Osama Bin Laden was ALREADY DEAD

  36. Hi Zeinobia, I'm not sure whether I already posted the post immediately following this one. If you are censoring it, can you please explain why so I can modify it and make it acceptable? There is nothing profane or in contravention of your rules against criticizing religions etc. as far as I can tell. Thanks! And thanks for hosting this spirited debate.

  37. @Z "Yes Bin Laden was a terrorist who caused the death of thousands across the world" It's a relief to hear you say that.

    I agree with Tony that "no matter what America did or did not do concerning Osama Bin Laden would not have made any difference in the fact that there would always ... ALWAYS ... be some sort of negative Arab/Muslim backlash and condemnation of the action or inaction." But I disagree with his pacifist moral equivalence blather. The right way to stop the "senseless and endless cycle of killing, hatred, and retribution" is to kill Al Qaeda and their supporters in such numbers that any left alive are too terrified to act.

    I agree with Zeinobia, and with the Arab and Muslim world, that under international law bin Laden was entitled to be taken alive and put on trial. That shows the moral bankruptcy of international law in this case.

  38. @Alice, It's hilarious that your sources are (1) Kooky leftist conspiracy site Dissident Voice, and (2) your friend who "watches the tv news for hours every day".

    More, please! I have tears of mirth streaming down my face. 8:::)

  39. @saurabhgoswami, "Osama Bin Laden was ALREADY DEAD" You're joking, right? I visited your website. You cite some speculative outdated stories, but appear unaware that the Navy Seals just blew his brains out in Abbottabad. I can give you some current citations.

  40. Bush alone was responsible for the coldblooded murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    In response to a question about the crippling sanctions the US imposed against Iraq, Madeleine Albright told an interviewer on the American current affairs show "60 Minutes" that the consequent death of 500,000 Iraqi children was "worth it".

    Remember McCain's funny song, "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran"?

    Most of your leaders and aspiring leaders show themselves to be sociopaths who think nothing of blowing hundreds or thousands or even millions of foreign civilians to smithereens. In fact, many of them have. Three million dead in Vietnam alone, not to mention all the millions killed by your country since then.

    But your leaders are not terrorist masterminds, of course! In fact, they're the ones who get to decide who is a terrorist, and then take matters into their own hands as judge, jury and executioner. Because they say so. Just like you accuse Bin Laden of doing. Funny how that works, eh?

    Bin Laden, no matter what he did, was relatively small potatoes compared to your own terrorist masterminds, with their "shock and awe" and "Daisy Cutters" and phosphorous bombs and napalm, etc., etc.

    Yet you defend and justify their crimes, like so many brainwashed and morally stunted Americans.

    But my favorite is this gem of lofty moral wisdom from you: When America, as usual, ignores international norms of justice and commits coldblooded murder, "that shows the moral bankruptcy of international law."

    Of course it does. You're a moron, Jason. A willfully ignorant, smug and self-deluded one, too. The most annoying and despicable kind.

  41. @Jason, Its official now, the white house will not release BinLaden's pictures. So with his body is disposed in the sea, there is no way to be certain of his true identity except for the DNA analysis which could be positive if the killed person was one of his sons.
    I smell something fishy here.

  42. Jason said "America has had oodles of Nobel Laureate scientists, while Egypt has had only Ahmed Zewail. America's average IQ is fifteen points above Egypt's. America has 99% literacy, Egypt 66%. Yes, Alice, on average, Americans are more intelligent and better-informed."

    Okay, there's the proof that "Jason" is just a dumbfucked american biological rascist, who fits better in the staff of Josef Mengele than on an intelligent blog. You make me puke.

  43. @schnellinger, facts are facts, sorry you don't like them.

    @Hazem, DNA can distinguish between him and a son, but I also would prefer the picture to be released. Not because I need convincing that he's dead, but so I can wear it on a T-shirt.

    @Alice, cool story sis. Be glad it's not up to me, because I'd throw your terrorist-supporting ass in Gitmo.


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