Thursday, September 13, 2012

#USembassy : The Ultimate war of the words !!

The Ultimate war of the words of the day on twitter is between "@IkhwanWeb" , the official twitter account of MB in English and "USembassyCairo" , the official twitter account of the US embassy in Cairo
Ikhwan Web replied after couple of minutes in an attempt to save its dignity but too late as now the US embassy in Cairo's tweet is the top shared photo among Egyptian Facebookers so far !!
The tweet of the US embassy in Cairo is the the tweet of the day by all measures.
There is no doubt that the "IkhwanWeb" twitter account got double standards , after all it presents a very moderate open image from the MB to the West that we do not see in the real life not to mention its twin Arab twitter account "Ikhwan Online"
The MB got a huge problem was D.C and this is just the Start

18 comments:

  1. The back & forth, plus comments are totally hysterical!

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  2. very comic, but actually the brothers are correct to be pleased no one was injured and to be promoting rising up and demonstrating against the film(if you like that sort of thing). There is no contradiction as long as you avoid violence. In fact as violence is always so close to the surface in Egypt there are probably right to try to control the demo to avoid violence. Personally I feel it is the wrong response and Muslim countires should instead be calling in the Israeli and American Ambassadors and urging them to detain those involved to prove to us they are serious when they say they dissapprove of the film. Lives may be lost due to it (I am assuming the ones lost in Libya were not to do with the film but a premeditated attack as reported). I that occurs one needs to prosecute for incitment but at the same time arrest whatever moron commits murder whilst pretending to defend Islam. As muslims we see our own faults and personally I eschew demos because its not usually the right path. but I am sick of stuff being turned on us and people ignore the context and the real undercurrents.

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    1. Nobody can detain the filmmakers in the US. It's unconstitutional to arrest somebody for speech, even if it's hate speech or incitement. Look up the 1st Amendment.

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    2. What if a Muslim made a film denying the holocaust and showed it in Hollywood cinemas?

      What do you think would be the reaction of the US State Dept?

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    3. There are thousands of Muslims in US and UK jails who are accused of hate speech and incitement!

      Double standards sandwich anyone?

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  3. @Latifa "Muslim countires should instead be calling in the Israeli and American Ambassadors and urging them to detain those involved to prove to us they are serious when they say they dissapprove of the film."

    They can't be detained because in the United States there's no law against making shitty films that make morons angry, and that's how we like it. That includes films that insult Mohamed, Jesus Christ, etc. Christianity is insulted all the time, including with the support of National Endowment for the Arts grants (e.g. Piss Christ) but somehow Muslims are always the ones who work themselves into a murderous rage over cartoons and whatnot. Perhaps next time you become aware of an Egyptian cleric calling Jews "the sons of pigs and monkeys" you will urge the authorities to detain those involved to prove to us they are serious when they say they disapprove. Or perhaps you won't.

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    1. Yes Jason except that you are wrong. There are plenty of laws that provide governments leeway to curb activities of individuals that are aimed at incitement. Anyone who understands egyptian and third world politics know things can be volatile. Coptic christians are against this film because it hurts their religious and spiritual sensibilities also but another reason is that they are a minority in a society that can be clannish and tribalistic. They know this film could easily result indirectly in many deaths. That doesn't absolve any thug who is the direct cause of violence of his responsibility but it does indicate that freedom s can never be absolute. Through existing American law this person could quite correctly be detained for questioning and if a case can be brought it should.

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    2. Dear Latifa,

      Check out this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Hated_Family_in_America

      This will enlighten you with regard to the limits on freedom of speech in the USA.

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    3. No, Latifa. Regarding US law, you are wrong. The 1st Amendment is the strongest free speech law in the world.

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  4. Except that now we know it was not the Israelis, not even the Jews.

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  5. But we know now that the Israelis were not involved!

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  6. As a tourist who understands Arabic, I have experienced this double standard in my travels to Egypt, where people will talk to me politely in English then turn around and make an insulting remark about foreigners to their countrymen.
    A common Egyptian trait يخاف ولا يخثشيش

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    1. Thanks for your useful and meanigful contribution

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    2. I believe the comment suggests you cant hve it both ways. You become insulted if something is offensive to you, but you easily insult others. We call that being two-faced. To understand freedom, peace and prosperity we must show respect, educate the public and continue to grow as a country. We have something called "the pledge of allegience" we teach it to our children and repeat and remember we are "one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" we mean it in our cultural heritage. We are a diverse nation with all kinds of people from everywhere in the world. Eqypt has a golden ancient history, and now you are challenged again to truly unite as a nation. One nation, indivisible. You have been manipulated and have reacted against those who have helped you the most. Is this how an Egyption treats their guests? If i was invited to your home you would spit in my face or throw a shoe at me? How do you feel about the 9/11 attacks? You simply can't blame us for your problems. Fix them. Raise your children to feel free to express themselves. Help them to know that freedom is never free. Reason, logic,give them choices.....maybe this will never be your path because you must separate church and state. But, there must be some agreeable compromise. This is for Egypt to figure out. Don't blame others though if you stumble along the way. Use true democracy and respect the process. Get over the drama that has been created by those who choose to create havoc and have different motives for doing this.

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  7. Hate speeches are triggered as a result of two main reasons, the first being that a strong country has the weapons and science to invades a weaker country causing death and destruction to its people young an old, so the weaker one ends up hating the invaders, the second reason for hate speeches is triggered by racism and the opinion that a person or a group of nations are inferior to yourself based on color, ethnicity or faith, its now up to you to read history and figure out which is which.

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  8. Great dialoge that is only possible the freedom to say what is in our heart without fear. This is our first amendment. Why is America the strongest nation in the world? Perhaps it is because we have an open mind? We accepts opinions of others. I don't like my hard earned money going to areas of the world that kill us and say things like "death to America". Again, is this helping Egypt? If you are our equals in being civil and open to help others, then please do! History is nothing but the past. Present and future are the path we choose. I hope for Egypt. God willing, goodness and peace will guide all of us.

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  9. History makes the present. What history books do you read?

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