Today Aswan was rocked by two earthquakes , each had the magnitude of 4.6 degrees earlier this morning. There is no report of damages or causalities up till now. The minister of water sources is saying that the Aswan high dam is fine and was not affected by these quakes.
What happened in Aswan is very normal because simply we have the largest reservoir in Africa aka Lake Nasser , large reservoirs contribute to earthquakes due to changes in loading or height of the water table.
Despite it is an earthquake , we should not be surprised because it is well known side effect for large reservoirs , of course we should be alarmed more about the body of the high dam of these frequent quakes.
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The last comment is absurd.
ReplyDeleteAnyway so earthquakes are yet another disadvantage of Nasser's dam at Aswan that was begot *at the expense of the Sudanese* and through dirty tricks, the bypassing of democratically elected civilian governments (in Sudan) with military administrators with ties to Egypt who signed up to the maligned 1959 Agreement that all of the Nile Basin States plus the Sudanese public oppose.
Not absurd at all. Earthquakes have been increasing in frequency all over Azeroth.
ReplyDeleteWhat's remarkable is how skillfully (and I am not being sarcastic here, I'm really impressed) several of Zeinobia's followers relate her posts on any subject whatever to Sudan and Egyptian racism. Many of the Egyptian readers are clearly annoyed by this, but I always marvel at the finesse with which it is done.
Riiight...
ReplyDeleteAzeroth, Thor's hammer...
Finesse?
So the stereotype of us being good for serving food, guarding edifices and joining dancing troupes aren't true after all..
Annoyed?
Why should they be annoyed when they collectively nod and believe the outrageous moth-eaten slogans their politicians *and academics* spout about the 'strategic, eternal ties between the ^one^ nation of the ^Nile River Basin^'.
Ludicrous is what it is.
The Aswan Dam is the biggest exogenous crime committed against the Sudanese people, begotten by their charismatic leader through dirty tricks, the bypassing of our first civilian democratically elected government and collusion with the first of our military regimes and its agents...
The result?
ZERO benefit for Sudan (the long-lasting negative transboundary impact is clear to see on the ground even today),
many benefits for Egypt,
The 1959 Agreement which all the *real* Nile Basin States oppose, and we the Sudanese public oppose.
The comments posted on this thread are not out of the blue.
The High Dam was never intended to benefit Sudan.. obviously it was built to benefit Egypt and Egypt only and since it's entirely built within Egypts borders where the nile flows leaving Sudan, it has no negative impact on Sudan yet it serves its purpose in Egypt.
ReplyDeleteEven without the great industrial, energy and agricultural advantages, it's greatest advantage is saving hundreds of peasants who used to drown in the delta with a high flood. So you feel better if Egyptians drown just because it had no beneficial outcome in Sudan which was obvious from the start since it is not built in Sudan?
This is not like dams built in Ethopia since Egypt is the last country where the river flows so it doesn't need much intelligence to know it wouldn't affect other countries.
So yes, the dam doesn't have any benefits in Sudan but don't forget the thousands of Egyptians and Egyptian companies who built and developed numerous agricultural and industrial projects in your country since the 1920's and till this day more than 300,000 highly skilled Egyptians work in Sudan not for the lousy pay but to keep your country progressing while you are too busy slaying one another.
You have many troubles in Sudan but you need not look further than your own borders to identify them, stop pointing fingers to the north..
Anonymous you are completely incorrect in your statement that the Aswan Dam has no transboundary impact on Sudan.
ReplyDeleteIt is an historical crime for Egyptians not to know the bitter price Sudan paid for the construction of their dam in Aswan...
Indeed, it was this very issue that forced the Egyptians to borker an agreement with Sudan as the initial World Bank financing of the project was contingent on it.
For your information:
829.5 km²of the totality of what you know as Lake Nasser and what 'we' refer to as Lake Nubia - lies in Sudan...
Close to 80,000 Sudanese were forcibly displaced by the inundation of their homes, agricultural lands and city - Wadi Halfa...
It was the first military administration (many of whose members had ties with Egypt) who agreed to the 1959 Agreement, which gave Egypt the green light to build its dam in Aswan.
Prior to November 1958 the civilian, democratically elected government that the Sudanese voted in power at independence had been bargaining for a 'fair settlement' but Nasser was only to happy to by-pass them and support the military takeover.
Ultimately one of the issues that brought that military administration down - was the brutality of the 1959 Agreement and the effects of Egypt's dam at Aswan on the Sudanese...
When 'civilised States' enter into a project with transboundary impact they:
1- try to mitigate the negative effects
2 - try to maximise benefit
If you're looking for an example do some research on the Itaipu Dam and see how Brazil (a *real* regional power) has treated and continues to treat smaller States like Paraguay - and look and how benefit is *really* shared...
Many Sudanese lost any hope in Egypt due to the Aswan Dam which came 'at the expense of the Sudanese' - so when Egypt is trying to convince the Southern Sudanese to construct the Jonglei Canal they point to the Aswan Dam and the lack of shared benefit - the Ethiopians do the same...
Egypt's electricity demand was not high in the 60's and some of the power could have been shared...but ultimately Sudan and Ethiopia recently connected their power grids (even though they don't have a transboundary lake or dam) whilst Sudan and Egypt have not done the same...
If any democratically elected government came to power it would immediately rescind the 4 Freedoms Agreement which allows Egyptians to work in Sudan and myself and many like me would wholeheartedly support that - and for your information they make more money in Sudan than they would dream of making in Egypt and they work as builders and they sell fool sandwiches amongst other things...
You're telling me it was Egyptians who developed the Sudanese petroleum, sugar cane and ethanol industries as well right...?
If I were in your position, apart from educating myself and not talking about things I don't know much about, I would check my attitude for the well-being of future generations of Egyptians...
There's no love lost here:
Egypt is not just looking for Water!
http://sudantribune.com/spip.php?article36840
but don't forget the thousands of Egyptians and Egyptian companies who built and developed numerous agricultural and industrial projects in your country since the 1920's
ReplyDeleteName them...
..and more than a quarter of million nubians were completely relocated, they happily moved seeing the greater good in saving lives of their brothers in the north and the great prospects of that project.
ReplyDeleteThe 80,000- the number was probably much less- moved 30 km inland from the river bank, I hardly call that a 'displacement' and forcibly by who?? by your government or get flooded just like what the delta inhabitants had to face every year.
Name them? you're kidding ..right? you want me to name every single Electricity and irrigation project all over Sudan from North to South funded and operated by Egypt? try to use google love. "Egyptian projects and funds in Sudan" and the skilled workers don't get paid any better than in Egypt since almost all of them are paid by the Egyptain government not yours.
Obviously you are the one who needs to get educated but apparently your hatred has blinded you from the truth.
We built you schools back in the 1900's, sent you our teachers and professors to educate you and now you bite the only hand that reached out for you.
The only Historical crime here is how Egypt helped you out unconditionally- tried to make you into a proper civilised state and pull you our of your tribal mentality and warfare and this how we get paid back.. hatred and blaming every malaise in your pagan-worshipping society on Egypt. You will never advance if you don't grow up and understand that your problems lies within yourselves only
I read that hate article by whatshisname.
ReplyDeleteI tried to comment there but I guess they wouldn't allow it because the truth hurts.
Besides the several lies like Egypt's involvement in the slave trade and other rubbish without any proof, I would like to mention something about that famous refugee 'sit-in' incident in Mohandisseen since I know it very well from personal experience.
At that time, I worked in a company 2 blocks away from Mostafa Mahmood street. I witnessed that sit-in daily at least twice due to my route coming from Heliopolis.
To call it a 'sit-in' is quite an understatement. The Sudanese obviously confused public space with their local homes or huts. They would defecate around the bushes in the park, women and men were humping under the blankets and in broad day light, just across the mosque which they should have least dignified as a holy site and respected the worshippers. I even saw one man masturbating.
That zoo lasted for more than 3 months! tell me, one country in the world that would tolerate any group that go around their business normally like that in public for 3 months!! Egypt is not new to sit-ins, in fact the labour sit-ins infront of the People's assembly lasted longer but people would go to toilets in nearby shops
The residents of the area were disgusted and from the very first week they complained to the local council, I recall one of the shop owners having a very loud fight with policemen near the UNHCR for not doing anything. The police never intervened for 3 months until the UNHCR told them they should move in and remove them by force.
True, the Police were brutal- but then again, even Egyptians die at the hands of the police in Egypt but the police as guilty as they are are not the only ones to blame. First and foremost it's the UNHCR that was delayed in its bureaucracy in ending their papers and the refugees themselves in not conducting themselves properly in their so-called sit-ins, not respecting the host country or the residents of that area.
Thank you for confirming every negative trait we accuse Egyptians of harbouring when dealing with the Sudanese.
ReplyDeleteYou are so inherently disrespectful you can't even quote the author's name - he may be Southern Sudanese but he's a medical doctor and you Egyptians are fond of titles so you should refer to him by his name 'Dr Justin Ambago Ramba' - and I could just bet you think Ambago Ramba is a funny name.
For the record, it is possible to post comments on sudantribune, you need to register and provide a valid email address, the password will be sent to your inbox.
I'm sure the readers, especially the Southern Sudanese will be delighted to know your views.
You've mentioned the problems caused by the refugees, but not the problems that they faced, or the fact that the UNHCR official who was delaying the processing of their papers was an Egyptian - which betrays a conflict of interest.
There were women, the elderly and children in that sit-in and they faced hardship and risked their lives to flee conflict, and their problem 'could have been' amicably solved but because they were an eye-sore to the peoples of Muhandiseen, according to you their brutalisation and murder is justifiable.
Well done.
Your arrogance will get you nowhere.
Dr Ambago Ramba's views reflect those of the Southern Sudanese educated class.
The only means of increasing the amount of water Egypt can get is through South Sudan and due to views like yours and hard empirical evidence of 'our' experiences working with Egypt - the Aswan Dam being the starkest example, the Southern Sudanese 'will not' agree to complete the Jonglei Canal.
So continue with your arrogance, continue with your haughty racism, continue with your love of everything that faces of North of the Mediterranean and your disdain of everything that lies South of it - and prepare to mobilise the funds and energy to desalinate the waters of the Mediterranean and Red Seas - because the Southern Sudanese are fed up, the Ethiopians are fed up, the Kenyans are fed up, the Ugandans are fed up and many, many, many, many Northern Sudanese are also fed up.
Your border guards shoot the refugees like fish in a barrel when they try to cross your border with your strategic peace partner Israel, through which you receive huge amounts of economic and military aid - even though that country does not deport them if they make it, either to Egypt or to Sudan...
And with regards to the massacre at Mustafa Mahmoud - the peoples of South Sudan will never forget.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Coo2Yxi7xAo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-KzmMpcBU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ie2fKjH0As&feature=related
"..and more than a quarter of million nubians were completely relocated, they happily moved seeing the greater good in saving lives of their brothers in the north and the great prospects of that project."
ReplyDeleteWhich Nubians are you talking about?
The ones in Sudan were not and are still not happy as they received zero benefit.
You cannot negate facts - entire communities in the Halfa-Sakkot regions were forcibly moved by virtue of the 1959 Agreement that Nasser so selfishly pursued to an arid part of Eastern Sudan to Gadarif State.
"or get flooded just like what the delta inhabitants had to face every year."
Eh?!
What have the Sudanese got to do with the delta's flood...?
No I'm not kidding, name major projects that the Egyptians have set up all over Sudan since the 1920's.
"skilled workers don't get paid any better than in Egypt since almost all of them are paid by the Egyptain government not yours."
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Egyptian government procures the contraction and sub-contraction of projects in Sudan?
Our laws actually specify that a partnership agreement must be set up with local companies for any public works project - so yet again you don't know what you're talking about.
Most Egyptians who work in Sudan are not working on Egyptian funded projects - they are working for Sudanese employers and the private sector or they are self-employed.
You obviously haven't been to Sudan and don't know what you're talking about.
"Obviously you are the one who needs to get educated but apparently your hatred has blinded you from the truth."
= ) !
"We built you schools back in the 1900's, sent you our teachers and professors to educate you and now you bite the only hand that reached out for you."
During the Anglo-British condominium period..?
Khartoum University used to be Gordon Memorial College and was set up by Great Britain and not Egypt.
Our 'kuttaab' educational system was established by Sudanese both autodictats and beneficiaries of the 'khalaawy' such as the Milek family and the Bedris - who are staunch Ansaris... = )
Yes you did try to co-opt many Sudanese by offering them free education in Cairo - and it didn't work.
Our first President Ismail Al-Azhari (no connection to your Azhar, grandson of a Sufi leader from the Hejaz Ismail Al-Wali and member of the Ja'liyeen tribe who assassinated Muhammad Ali's son Ismail) studied at the AUB - and was a Unionist yet he chose 'independence'.
Actually none of our leaders studied university in Egypt.
Egypt did nothing for Sudan unconditionally.
It is interesting to think about how history would have unfolded if Muhammad Ali didn't invade Sudan in 1820...
Muhammad Ali invaded Sudan in 1820 for:
Gold (which he never found)
Negroid soldiers (who were captured from the Nuba Mountains in Central Sudan and conscripted into the Jihadiya battalion) and,
Securing the source of the Nile - we all know how unsuccessful that endeavour was through the unfolding of events and the historical grievances voiced by many today...
We are a civilised people - in Dongola, in Soba, in Makuria, in Fazughli and the Blue Sultanate and the Sultan's Darfur - from whence the kiswa of the ka'ba was sent for many, many years - but I wouldn't expect an ignoramus like you to know that...
You disrespected us and subjugated a proud people and this resulted in the glorious Mahdist Revolution which united the Sudanese against people who have views like yours.
Oh, we're pagan worshipping too?
= )
I've been to Egypt many times and know many Egyptians and I know one thing, for every 100 ignoramuses like you there is one intelligent and rational Egyptian.
Good luck trying to convince that to the Ethiopians and Southern Sudanese.
"..and more than a quarter of million nubians were completely relocated, they happily moved seeing the greater good in saving lives of their brothers in the north and the great prospects of that project."
ReplyDeleteWhich Nubians are you talking about?
The ones in Sudan were not and are still not happy as they received zero benefit.
You cannot negate facts - entire communities in the Halfa-Sakkot regions were forcibly moved by virtue of the 1959 Agreement that Nasser so selfishly pursued to an arid part of Eastern Sudan to Gadarif State.
"or get flooded just like what the delta inhabitants had to face every year."
Eh?!
What have the Sudanese got to do with the delta's flood...?
No I'm not kidding, name major projects that the Egyptians have set up all over Sudan since the 1920's.
"skilled workers don't get paid any better than in Egypt since almost all of them are paid by the Egyptain government not yours."
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the Egyptian government procures the contraction and sub-contraction of projects in Sudan?
Our laws actually specify that a partnership agreement must be set up with local companies for any public works project - so yet again you don't know what you're talking about.
Most Egyptians who work in Sudan are not working on Egyptian funded projects - they are working for Sudanese employers and the private sector or they are self-employed.
You obviously haven't been to Sudan and don't know what you're talking about.
"Obviously you are the one who needs to get educated but apparently your hatred has blinded you from the truth."
= ) !
"We built you schools back in the 1900's, sent you our teachers and professors to educate you and now you bite the only hand that reached out for you."
During the Anglo-British condominium period..?
Khartoum University used to be Gordon Memorial College and was set up by Great Britain and not Egypt.
Our 'kuttaab' educational system was established by Sudanese both autodictats and beneficiaries of the 'khalaawy' such as the Milek family and the Bedris - who are staunch Ansaris... = )
Yes you did try to co-opt many Sudanese by offering them free education in Cairo - and it didn't work.
Our first President Ismail Al-Azhari (no connection to your Azhar, grandson of a Sufi leader from the Hejaz Ismail Al-Wali and member of the Ja'liyeen tribe who assassinated Muhammad Ali's son Ismail) studied at the AUB - and was a Unionist yet he chose 'independence'.
Actually none of our leaders studied university in Egypt.
Egypt did nothing for Sudan unconditionally.
It is interesting to think about how history would have unfolded if Muhammad Ali didn't invade Sudan in 1820...
Muhammad Ali invaded Sudan in 1820 for:
Gold (which he never found)
Negroid soldiers (who were captured from the Nuba Mountains in Central Sudan and conscripted into the Jihadiya battalion) and,
Securing the source of the Nile - we all know how unsuccessful that endeavour was through the unfolding of events and the historical grievances voiced by many today...
We are a civilised people - in Dongola, in Soba, in Makuria, in Fazughli and the Blue Sultanate and the Sultan's Darfur - from whence the kiswa of the ka'ba was sent for many, many years - but I wouldn't expect an ignoramus like you to know that...
You disrespected us and subjugated a proud people and this resulted in the glorious Mahdist Revolution which united the Sudanese against people who have views like yours.
Oh, we're pagan worshipping too?
= )
I've been to Egypt many times and know many Egyptians and I know one thing, for every 100 ignoramuses like you there is one intelligent and rational Egyptian.
Good luck trying to convince that to the Ethiopians and Southern Sudanese.
Most of the personnel in UNHCR Cairo office are Egyptians. The director is usually a foreigner.. the delay wasn't caused by a certain individual's 'conflict-of-interest' but due to the bureaucracy in UNHCR itself in processing any refugee papers.
ReplyDeleteI already acknowledged that:
"First and foremost it's the UNHCR that was delayed in its bureaucracy "
That's your problem, always blaming Egyptians yet YOU fail to see that UNHCR is the problem not the employees but heck, since she was an Egyptian..let's blame her and I don't think that she was the only one responsible for processing their papers, every case is dealt with separately and I'm sure you know many of the Sudanese were not political refugees but economical ones.
You really think it would have been amicably solved after 3 months?..
And what's with the racism? are you just obsessed that I must be a racist and all Egyptians are that you couldn't understand my comment. I just stated true facts.
as an eye-witness there is nothing racist about me comment. They weren't removed because they were an 'eye-sore' to the residents. They were removed because the UNHCR demanded so. The police were doing nothing for 3 months despite the locals' complaints till the UNHCR office got fed up and ordered the police to move in.
The locals wouldn't have any problems with the sit-in even if it lasted for a year had the refugees acted like civilised human beings and refrained from obscene acts in a public park in front of a MOSQUE. Shocking behaviour they wouldn't even do in their own towns..or is masturbating, sex-acts and defecating in public normal in Sudan?
"according to you their brutalisation and murder is justifiable"
..and i quote myself:
"..but the police as GUILTY as they are are not the only ones to blame"
Guilty does not mean justifiable.
I don't think Egypt will have water resources problems if we learn to use it better..so it doesn't really matter what you do, the river will always flow north and we will eventually get our sufficient supply without resorting to desalinating, just deal with your own issues away from us and grow out from your tribal conflicts because it won;t stop at a declaration of a 'south sudan republic'. Ethopia, Sudan, Uganda could never make proper use of the VERY SUFFICIENT RAINFALL they get..they wouldn't know what to use with river water anyways. But hey, go nuts..Build a big dam that could even remotely endanger our supply and in a couple of days after you will see it become a pile of rubble... that's no threat, that's a promise.
I didn't mention the author's name because as a liar, I don't care for him and he is not worth being mentioned.. has nothing to do with his nationality or how his name sounds, enough with your racism complex.
I did register and received my password, my comment wouldn't show up but feel free to share my input with your friends.
But hey, go nuts..Build a big dam that could even remotely endanger our supply and in a couple of days after you will see it become a pile of rubble... that's no threat, that's a promise.
ReplyDeleteHa = )
Is that a Lieberman-esque threat...?
We don't need to build dams we need to use more water in agriculture and that would constitute a net loss to the amount of water reaching you - and we're doing just that...
Desalinate - it's the only way out.