The incident happened in the bus which he was driving at the Misr-Asuit agricultural highway . He was supposedly driving the workers from 15th May area in Cairo governorate to Abu Nomrs area in 6th October governorate !!
The early reports say that he killed and injured those people because he was transferred !! The shooter did not commit suicide and was arrested while the injured were transferred to the hospital.
Taking a gun to your work in that way means that you have planned to the whole thing in advance , it is not a sudden reaction. Another thing , one must wonder how he got a gun in the first place , Egypt is not the United States and there are strict official rules to get a gun officially , of course unofficially you can buy a gun from Upper Egypt in no one time.
This is not Egypt nor these are not the Egyptians.
Updates
- The death toll reached 8
- The shooter will be facing : Intended murder and owning a machine gun
- There are different stories about why the driver opened his fire :
- He was depressed because he was transferred to another branched "debunked by the company , the man's record has been clean for 24 years in the company.
- The salary of the shooter is not more than LE 300 despite the claims of company that his salary is LE1300 which is highly doubtful.
- He opened his fire due to arguments with some of his coworkers in the bus over antiquities excavation according to police investigations , it seems that he agreed to let two coworkers to excavate under his house.
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Z
ReplyDeleteYour headline title 'The First Mass Shooting Incident in Egypt' is incorrect as there has been numerous shootings in Egypt over 100's of years.
We can start with Upper Egypt's long history of family feuds and vendettas and finish with the killing of Copt's during the Christmas mass.
Besides that, a significant number of Egyptians have guns and shotguns that are kept quietly in a secure place at home.
I do not think that the family feuds and vendettas or even the killing of the Copts during the Christmas mass can be described as random mass shooting incident.There are strict rules for family feuds and vendetta in Upper Egypt and the awful incident of last 7th of January Christmas mass seemed to have a criminal background , I am convinced that there is something between Kamoni and the priest there
ReplyDeleteThis incident reminds with the incident in the United States where the psychological motives are the reason behind making a person opens his fire on people randomly in that way
'Egypt is not the United States and there are strict official rules to get a gun officially'
ReplyDeleteA cheap shot from a very mediocre journalist! You obviously know nothing about our fire arms vetting system in the US. It's bad enough you lost 50% of your readership because of your drunken Baradei stuper. Yeah I know you don't care as you are a fanatic just like the islamists except you are a SECULAR FUNDAMENTALIST!
Go ahead and write without doing research so you can lose the other half, you are better off blogging about celebrities and fashion!
first?!! Dnt think so
ReplyDelete@Z is out of control:
ReplyDeleteIts a well known fact that the US has a firm arms problem. So, instead of taking your anger over Z you better do your own research. Do you have an issue with El Baradie and his supporters?!! or Z's choice to support him?!! Idiot
Umm listen 'firm' 300 million vs 80 million do the math!
ReplyDeleteAs for Elbaradei YES I have a problem with him he is a clown! He lost all international credibility and statesmanship once he chose to be the HEAD CLOWN in this circus!
Mubarak doesn't even acknowledge him thats how big of a CLOWN HE HIS!
And Zeinab and her ilk are mindless drones in an anything but Mubarak circus which is very dangerous!
You people are fanatics!
@Ahmed NY: GO DO SOME READING AND YOU WILL DISCOVER WE ARENT JUST BAD MOUTHING YOUR US IT IS A WELL KNOWN FACT ACKNOWLEDGED BY EVEYR AMERICAN I KNOW THAT THERE IS A FIRE ARMS PROBLEM.
ReplyDeleteYou are free to see him as a clown and claim he has lost int credibility news flash for you is that a) you can not tell Z or others they are wrong to support him, bec well they are free to choose, thought you learned that in the US you seem to believe you belong to
and
b) you are no political expert thank God for that and you seem to have missed the news of requests to meet El Baradie by no other than the US emb to Egypt along with a crowd of EU embs. So much for the man having no political weight or int credibility.
Yes sure, Mubarak was expected to acknowledge the man who seems closer by the day to have popular support to take over :D your so silly man
Anony spoken like a true sheep, with the name calling, seem the sand and heat got to your head!
ReplyDeleteWell ..let me say something .. I am not a supporter of Elbaradei at all despite I respected his suggestion to eliminate the second point of the constitution which I consider to be a bit excessively pro-Islamic ( I am Muslim by the way ) ,but in the end I fully respect Z or any other person's right to believe in him. Every human being has the right to adopt what he/she believes to be correct.
ReplyDelete" A cheap shot from a very mediocre journalist! You obviously know nothing about our fire arms vetting system in the US. It's bad enough you lost 50% of your readership because of your drunken Baradei stuper. "
I cannot believe my eyes ...!!! are these words discussing Zeinobia?? Actually Sir,or Ma'am ,I disagree with the majority of Z's opinions ,but she can never be described as a mediocre journalist or that she lost 50% of her readership ,or even lost a single reader.She is a truly respectable person and she also respects the others'points of view ...that is why I always follow her blog on daily basis and I comment most of the time despite I usually receive harsh insults from other commenters...just as those she is receiving now ..!!!
@Ahmed from NY: the worst person is a self hating one. Where is the name calling? Silly man was a description based on what you wrote. Stick to the topic and write back with facts and do not get angry when ppl call you out for lacking on both facts and sense.
ReplyDeleteThis sand and heat happen to be the same sand and hear your family originally came from and using it as a way to degrade me and mock me only makes you a vile person who is self hating. You seem to be one of those who think they are superior to others just bec they have an American passport, well good for you, you are even in denial about one of the major issues your country has been facing for so many years.
Last but not least, if you think Z is mediocre, why do you bother commenting here?!
@آخر أيام الخريف
ReplyDeleteBTW, in his latest interview with Adeeb he said he doesnt support removing article 2. Those who studied law know this article was put there only as a political ploy and serves no real purpose in practice.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI dont agree with you, concerning article 2 of the constitution. In the 70's, this article was amended by a jurist (Sufy Abutaleb who was Speaker of the Parliament at the time). He wanted this amendment to be the first step into islamizing all Egyprian laws. After obtaining the approval of Sadat, he started the plannification of this and, with the help of a comitee that included people truly represented Egypt (officials, Coptic Church, Azhar, Muslim Brothers, MPs...), set up a plan to change all the laws in Egypt so that they will be in accordance with islamic jurisprudence (he was following Abu Hanifa). The plan was to do this on 3 phases, the first one starting in October 1983. He was removed from his post in September 1983, and everything was buried.
Besides, it is true that now it is only a political instrument; but it was not the purpose at the beginning.
@Sakr: two points:
ReplyDeletea)plz check the history of the 1971 constitution and how this article came to exist. Plz ask any Constitutional law professor in Egypt and he will confirm that.
b)I never heard about late Dr. Abu Talbe's project. I'd be interested in knowing the source of your information, I'd love to check them out.
Late Dr. Sanhuri had already an experience in insuring some of the laws do not conflict with established rules of Shari'a and to use such rules to improve Western shaped codes but he did not have the time to finish his job. Also, prior to that period, when "modern" Egyptian laws and judicial system were getting prepared there was a cautious decision to try and adapt the Western format chosen for that purpose to suit a Muslim country. So, the idea itself wouldnt be a new thing.
To sum it up, my comment is mainly about art 2 of the Constitution, our Constitutional law professors explained its history as politically motivated, with Sadat wanting to appear as a religious president esp given his problems with the Muslim Brotherhood. Point remains, the country was that of a majority of Muslims and rules of Sharia were taken into consideration in mature attempts at law reform, long before this article existed. Also, the article has very little bearing in practice.
i read your blog all the time but this is my first comment, i can't get why ppl are attacking you!! the things you post actually happens and it's not like you invented them! and pointing to the wrong and corrupt things in your country doesn't mean you hate it, and for God's sake can ppl read and research before they attack and publish a manifesto on your blog! , and you don't have to be Egyptian to love it, am Jordanian and i love every thing about it, and whether i like it or not, Egypt is central and has it's weight in the region, hopefully it'll get back soon, and for the ppl annoyed by the "Egypt is not the Us", how many mas shooting in schools and malls should happen before you realize the difference, the whole culture is based on violence, read history,
ReplyDeleteyou don't this but, way to go girl
@anonymous
ReplyDeleteOf course the idea to implement Islamic law in Egypt is prior to the amendment of the 2nd article; but it needed a codification phase (taqnin) before its implementation (tatbiq). Thus, Sufy Abu Taleb tried to do this through a project that never materialized.
Concerning the political dimension of this article, I agree with you. It might have been a tool Sadat used to appear as the faithful president (elra2iss elmo2men), in fact I am sure it was his purpose, but it was not Dr. Abu Taleb goal, who wanted an Egyptian jurisprudence that was a compromise between the scandinavian socialist model and the Islamic values, background, heritage and jurisprudence.
I personnaly read one of his books ten years ago (which I lost unfortunately when I changed the country I used to live in at the time). His book was entitled "Droit européen et droit islamique dans le monde arabe", in which he analyzes the evolution of jurisprudence in the arab world, and tries to reach a compromise.
Concerning my source of information, they all are professors of law in universities (including my father and my grand father), judges, and former State Officials.
I just want to tell you that I totally agree with you that this was not a new stream when they introduced the 2nd article in the constitution in the 70's; on the contrary it was a continuity to what Egypt greatest jurist started 50 years before (Senhuri, Khallaf ...)