That 2001 video in Hebrew may shock many Americans but it did not shock us as Egyptians or Arabs because we know that the Israeli politicians believe from a very long time that the United States of America is less than an ally , it is thing that can be easily controlled and moved as they wanted thanks to the influence of AIPAC.
Here is the video and you can see Bibi speaking in a friendly way to that family.
Here is the transcript of the dialogue between Bibi and the family :
Bibi: The Arabs are currently focusing on a war of terror and they think it will break us. The main thing, first of all, is to hit them. Not just one blow, but blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne. The price is not too heavy to be borne, now. A broad attack on the Palestinian Authority. To bring them to the point of being afraid that everything is collapsing...
Woman: Wait a moment, but then the world will say "how come you're conquering again?"
Netanyahu: the world won't say a thing. The world will say we're defending.
Woman: Aren't you afraid of the world, Bibi?
Netanyahu: Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America is a thing that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction.
Child: They say they're for us, but, it's like...
Netanyahu: They won't get in our way. They won't get in our way.
Child: On the other hand, if we do some something, then they...
Netanyahu: So let's say they say something. So they said it! They said it! 80% of the Americans support us. It's absurd. We have that kind of support and we say "what will we do with the..." Look. That administration [Clinton] was extremely pro-Palestinian. I wasn't afraid to maneuver there. I was not afraid to clash with Clinton. I was not afraid to clash with the United Nations. I was paying the price anyway, I preferred to receive the value. Value for the price.
In the following segment, Bibi boasts about how he emptied the Oslo Accords of meaning by an interpretation that made a mockery of them:
Woman: The Oslo Accords are a disaster.
Netanyahu: Yes. You know that and I knew that...The people [nation] has to know...
What were the Oslo Accords? The Oslo Accords, which the Knesset signed, I was asked, before the elections: "Will you act according to them?" and I answered: "yes, subject to mutuality and limiting the retreats." "But how do you intend to limit the retreats?" "I'll give such interpretation to the Accords that will make it possible for me to stop this galloping to the '67 [armistice] lines. How did we do it?
Narrator: The Oslo Accords stated at the time that Israel would gradually hand over territories to the Palestinians in three different pulses, unless the territories in question had settlements or military sites. This is where Netanyahu found a loophole.
Netanyahu: No one said what defined military sites. Defined military sites, I said, were security zones. As far as I'm concerned, the Jordan Valley is a defined military site.
Woman: Right [laughs]...The Beit She'an Valley.
Netanyahu: How can you tell. How can you tell? But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter -- to me and to Arafat, at the same time -- which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: "I'm not signing." Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to me and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.
Woman: And despite that, one of our own people, excuse me, who knew it was a swindle, and that we were going to commit suicide with the Oslo Accord, gives them -- for example -- Hebron...
Netanyahu: Indeed, Hebron hurts. It hurts. It's the thing that hurts. One of the famous rabbis, whom I very much respect, a rabbi of Eretz Yisrael, he said to me: "What would your father say?" I went to my father. Do you know a little about my father's position
Of course this video will not change the American official policies. I do not know how he considered the Clinton administration was pro-Palestinian !!
This video was aired in Israel last Friday in the Israeli Ch.10 on a TV program called "This Week With Miki Rosenthal" titled "The Real (And Deceitful) Face of Benjamin Netanyahu." It seems that Rosenthal , the famous Israeli investigative journalist does not like Bibi and wants to expose him not only to the Israelis but to the world too. Last year he presented a documentary with director called the Shakshuka system which discussed the powerful economic families in Israel and how they control the media ..etc.
This is Bibi and what he thinks of Israel's biggest ally in the world : a thing easy to control and move !! I wonder what he thinks of Egypt and his BBF Mubarak !!
Its so bad its funny. I'm shocked. This pathetic nation runs the world with the help of the US.
ReplyDeleteAnd he mocks them in return. Only if the American people knew...
He said "moved," not controlled. There's a very big difference. And if you are so troubled by AIPAC, why don't the Arabs create an organization for themselves? They certainly have more than enough money.
ReplyDeleteUltimately, Americans support Israel because the Arabs make themselves very easy to hate. Every time an Arab opens his mouth to talk about Israel, he says something stupid like "they don't belong here" or "we'll eventually kick them out."
Hi Z,
ReplyDelete"America is a thing that can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction."
I am not shocked by the video, or that Netanyahu would feel confident enough to say that. Americans trust Israel's judgment about her security situation, and are always ready to help. In Egypt there may be just 100 Jews left, but in America we have millions. Americans have lots of Jewish friends with Israeli relatives. Naturally Americans tend to side with them.
"powerful economic families in Israel and how they control the media"
No hypothesis about Jewish control of the media is necessary, or conspiracy theory about AIPAC pulling strings. The explanation is simpler than that: The Palestinians have a bad reputation. It is a sad thing to have to say, because many Palestinians have suffered unjustly in the conflict, but it's true nonetheless.
Even before 9/11 Palestinians already had a reputation for exploding themselves in Jewish restaurants and weddings. After 9/11 we began to see videos of which Palestinians celebrating the fall of the twin towers is only an example. The damage these videos did in squandering American good will is permanent.
And the Palestinians have not been trying to ingratiate themselves with Americans since that time. They elected Hamas to power in 2006. Of course Hamas is overtly hostile to America and Israel, and the US State Department considers them a terrorist organization. They don't seem to want to be friends.
This past February a Gallup poll in the US said 63 percent of Americans say their sympathies in the Middle East conflict are with Israel, while 15 percent side with the Palestinians. The rest favor both sides, neither side or have no opinion.
I don't like Mubarak any more than you do, because I don't like dictators. I hope Egypt gets someone better.
محزن ..وان كنت تعلم فالمصيبة اعظم يارب الطف فينا
ReplyDeleteZeinobia hanem..I don't mind at all that you constantly take stuff from my Facebook page (including my friends' comments). I only hope that you'd acknowledge your source ya sitt el-kull! BTW, everybody already knows your source - it's not your little hidden secrete- because most people read my Facebook page.
ReplyDelete@anonymous , you tell me , I expected more respect
ReplyDelete@anonymous#2 , easy say than done my dear believe we wish to have a lobby there too
You know I can bring many Israeli comments as usual that consider anti-American , they just do not reach to the mainstream media
@Jason , when I spoke about the media control in the documentary which speaks about Israel but the words that the Palestinians have got a bad reputation can't because they below themselves in restaurants in Israel or they were happy after 9/11 ,there are millions of Jews and that's why the Americans are biased to the Israelis are oversimplifing the conflict that goes to more than 60 years
Do not get me wrong but since the founding of Israel and the forced exile of millions of Palestinians in the world the Palestinians know very well that the West in general that care about them and the only way the caught the world attention after killing themselves and others in these terrorist acts that came in revenge for the Israeli military operations. The PLO in 1970s used to launch operations that were answers on specific massacres and attacks on Palestinian populations
I work too in the files of the Egyptians and Arab POWs , I know that the American public will be territified to know the amount of war crimes committed by the IDF and the settlers against the Palestinian people , just like what happened in the war of Gaza
@Yazeed
االمصيبة هى الكيل بمكيالين
@anonymous#3 , and what is your facebook page !!?? I always acknowledge my sources very careful because unlike many bloggers I understand very common creative rights so please enlight me exactly which page I did not respect its right
May be I owe you an apology or may be you owe an apology
Had the neoconservatives not assassinated Perez he would have concluded a true peace deal with Arafat. After his assassination, Sharon set a bait for Arafat to sabotage the peace by visiting the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem to which the Palestinians fell for hook,line and sinker.
ReplyDeleteThe neoconservatives staunchly believe that God gave them this land and are willing to do whatever it takes to keep it.
In my opinion if the Palestinians want really to win, they should shed their image as terrorists and preach peace and pacifism. Remember Nelson Mandela and Gandhi achieved their goals and received world support through pacifism.
Furthermore, Palestinians should take their destiny into their own hands and not rely on their corrupt leaders or Arab countries who have so far given them lip service and a few dollars.
If Palestinians want to win world public opinion , they should think and react like an Israeli when he finds a fly in his coffee:
ReplyDeleteReactions to a fly in my coffee.
The Italian - throws the cup, breaks it, and walks away in a fit of rage.
The German - carefully washes the cup,
sterilizes it and makes a new cup of coffee.
The Frenchman - takes out the fly, and drinks the coffee.
The Chinese - eats the fly and throws away the coffee.
The Russian - Drinks the coffee with the fly, since it was extra with no charge.
The Israeli - sells the coffee to the Frenchman, sells the fly to the Chinese, sells the cup to the Italian, drinks a cup of tea, and uses the extra money to invent and sells the Russian a device that prevents flies from falling into coffee.
'THINK'
America is a free country; enjoys the one-way freedom to support Israel. There is a democracy to debate abortion, gun control, immigration or healthcare yet the topic of Israeli grip over America is off limits. When you check voting in US Congress regarding Israel, only 1% (5 of 500+) dares to vote against a measure. Americans are not free, and as noted Pat Buchanan, Washington is an Israeli occupied territory. The Israeli nightmare is when Americans demand true freedom!
ReplyDeleteTo blame this taboo on poor Palestinian image is just nonsense. Edward Said and many others were media savvy, solid intellectuals and highly articulate. But the media ownership and control thru subliminal messages against Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs is what shapes US public opinion. The US controlled media sets a blockade on the minds and soul of the people to manipulate the outcome.
There will be no US reaction to this Bibi clip, and there was no reaction to Sharon similar recorded statement many years ago (we control America and they know it).
@Anonymous 9:42 AM who thinks Zeinobia takes your stuff without attribution, it is pointless to make a comment like that without putting in a link to your page so we can judge. I will believe it when I see it. Z has always been conscientious about attribution from what I have seen.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous 1:49 PM As long as we are doing tasteless ethnic jokes: The Palestinian - Approaches the coffee and blows himself up.
@ Jason 6:19 PM
ReplyDeleteTo continue my tasteless ethnic joke, here goes......
The Palestinian blames the Israeli for the fly falling into his coffee,protests the act of aggression to the UN, takes a loan from the European Union to buy a new cup of coffee, uses the money to purchase explosives and then blows up the coffee house where the Italian, the Frenchman, the Chinese, the German and the Russian are all trying to explain to the Israeli that he should
give away his cup of tea to the Palestinian.
@Anonymous 1:49 PM The American - Sues the owner of the coffee shop. Sends money and weapons to the Israeli.
ReplyDelete@Jason, only hopeless people who suffer from unbearable pain commit suicide. Someone once said "Hope is a belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one's life. Hope implies a certain amount of perseverance i.e. believing that a positive outcome is possible even when there is some evidence to the contrary. A person who dreads of 'what tomorrow may bring' looses the zeal of life itself. He can not live in the present even for one day".
ReplyDeleteIts positive to see the increasing number of support in USA to the Plestinian cause and peace even among the Jewish community. Here is one of those active organizations
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
I also like to mention that Arab Americans have had their lobby organization, http://www.adc.org/, since 1980 which has become very active lately.
@ Anonymous 5:35 PM
ReplyDelete"But the media ownership and control thru subliminal messages against Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs is what shapes US public opinion."
Can you quote or link to an example of such a message? Just one. I'm not trying to give you a hard time here, but much of what you wrote, including but not limited to the part I quoted, sounds insane to me, and yet you say it as if it should be obvious to everyone.
@Jason, It's insane and unjust to ignore the obvious. Please watch the following report to the end and you will know what I mean only if you want to.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmMlNNfaII
@Hazem, thank you for the YouTube. I watched the whole thing. It's clear many innocent Palestinians are suffering because of the checkpoints. The film clip of Israelis hitting a Palestinian with a rock repeatedly is horrific. I am familiar with it because it was widely shown on American TV at the time. Noam Chomsky is on TV a lot too, and so is Michael Lerner of Tikkun. Spokesmen for the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) are interviewed on the news as well. All of which is difficult to understand in view of what you call "media ownership and control thru subliminal messages against Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs". That's why I asked you specifically to provide an example of "media ownership and control thru subliminal messages against Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs". Your link is not an example, but a counterexample, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteCan we be more direct here,
ReplyDeleteIts not news that the US foreign policy in MENA is controlled by Israel. What would be new if more Americans got to hear this and understand what we have been accusing their govs of for so many years.
It doesnt make me happy to say this, but I wish Americans realize that it wasnt just a bunch of some in Muslim countries or the Middle East who were glad to see for once the country that was bombing others left and right, getting a shot of its own poison. I was in a summer school that had a mixture of German and Egyptian Students. I was shocked that the majority of German students were happy on 9/11 and said exactly the same things some Arabs said. No one was happy for the loss of life but they said the Americans need to realize they cant just let their politicians do wt they want in other countries and do not expect their wrong doings against many nations to come back and haunt them. If you claim you have democracy and get to elect those you want then know that others will hold you as directly responsible for electing someone who bombs their country. If you elect politicians who provide weapons used against the Palestinians and use your SC veto powers to block any resolutions against Israeli aggression, then do not be surprised that ppl blame you more than they blame the Israelis for the situation in Palestine.
I got into online discussions or more like arguments with Americans cussing at us for 9/11 and never did I get one answer when I asked why no one questioned the US role in creating Al Quada? Who was behind the idea of Mujahedeen in Afghanstan and asked Egypt and KSA to make it easy for those who want to fight the USSR there to go? who trained them? provided them with weapons ect? who remained silent when some of these recruits went back and starting bombing not only tourists but also Egyptians? The US did what Britain did before with the Muslim Brotherhood. Both countries had a hand in nurturing militants exploiting religion and when they turned on them we got blamed for it!!!
Some Americans were so worried that Obama might be Muslim, some even still believe he is ect but no one seems to question why so many senior American MENA advisors are not only Jewish but some even have dual citizenship or known openly for supporting Israel. How come no one questions where their loyalty? How come no one is taking a step back and looking at how the American foreign policy in the region has been so damaging to the interests of the American ppl? What benefit comes to the American ppl from being at an actual and emotional war with so many Muslims and an entire MENA region?
Im not saying we are not to blame too, we are. All this money and we have no success in lobbying in the US. All this help and investments in the American economy and still no change in its policies towards the region. More important, bec we the ppl have let dictators rule us for so long we have a situation were they became important US allies and so the primary purpose of our relations with any of the World powers became mainly to sustain such regimes, in exchange for doing what we are asked to do by the US or other Western powers.
I dnt think the Americans will wake up and do something any time soon but I have a growing hope that positive changes in Egypt's leadership will bring changes in other countries in the region, limit the appeal of militants and allow for more balanced relations with the West.
@Jason Please help me understand how the documentary titled "Hidden Truth About Israeli Control Of American Media" is a counterexample of the media ownership and control thru subliminal messages against Palestinians, Muslims and Arabs is what shapes US public opinion. Am I missing something here?
ReplyDeleteFYI I am not the anonymous who wrote the comment about it.
@Hazem, It's a counterexample because if the American media were controlled by Israel, they would presumably not feature Noam Chomsky and Michael Lerner.
ReplyDelete@Jason, So you think that the American media (they) has produced a documentary featuring 2 Jewish people who are known by their strong opposition to Israel policy to attack itself?
ReplyDeleteMan you have got to be kidding me. Are you sure that you did not watch the 3 stooges movie instead?
I have always thought that there is something weird about you, dedicating a whole blog to attack a scientist or a pseudoscientist as you like to call him.
By the way, this documentary is produced by media education foundation and one of its board of advisors is Noam Chomsky.
@Hazem, "So you think that the American media (they) has produced a documentary featuring 2 Jewish people who are known by their strong opposition to Israel policy to attack itself?"
ReplyDeleteI don't think that at all. Sorry you misunderstood. I think American media companies are owned by many parties with many beliefs and espouse many different opinions, including opinions for and against Israeli policy, and even for and against Israeli existence.
Media Education Foundation is based in Northampton, MA, USA. They are an American media company. You and Anonymous at 5:35 PM believe Israel controls American media companies if I understand correctly. By all means, please clarify your opinion: Which media outlets does Israel control? Chomsky and Lerner are in documentaries, books, magazines, news shows, broadcast TV, cable TV, Web sites, you name it.
@Jason, the majority of media outlets in USA(both written and visual) are 99% biased towards Israel. Its a fact that nobody can dispute. An example of subliminal message (which is featured in the documentary)is when Palestinians on the occupied territory will throw rocks on the Israeli soldiers. The tv report will say "palestinians attacking Israelis and Israelis retaliate". The word retaliation makes the viewers think that Israel has the right to defend itself even though they were the aggressors and the occupiers.
ReplyDeleteLet me ask you a question, Was the clip of the Israeli hitting a Palestinian with a rock the only scene that moved you?
How about other scenes where Palestinians were slaughtered in Sabra and shatila with the facilitation of the Israelis. Did that move you as well?
What about the pregnant woman who could not reach the hospital to deliver her baby because of the Israeli blockade. Did you have goose skin watching that clip?
I have a hunch what your answer will be.
@Hazem, thank you for carrying on this conversation. It is unlikely to change anyone's mind but it is fascinating and always good to talk.
ReplyDeleteI felt sorry for the pregnant woman and I feel sorry for everyone at checkpoints and blockades who just wants to get on with their lives. Innocent people like her suffer when nation-states have conflicts, which is why war is a thing to be avoided when possible. I feel sorry for the Sabra and Shatila victims too, though it was Phalangist Christians and not Jewish Israelis that did it. I also feel sorry for murdered Christian President Bashir Gemayel and the dozens murdered with him, by Muslims, and for whose murders the Sabrila and Shatila massacres were an act of revenge.
"99% biased towards Israel" Well sure, if by that you mean that they don't say exactly what you want them to say. Let me tell it as I see it giving specific media examples: CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, the NY Times and the Washington Post are very sympathetic to the Palestinians in their coverage. Fox News, Washington Times, Weekly Standard, National Review and Wall Street Journal are much less so. Your 99% assertion marks you as too ideologically blinded to be subject to rational persuasion, but that's OK, I am still happy we are talking.
"palestinians attacking Israelis and Israelis retaliate" Thank you for the example of a subliminal message. But it's simply the literal truth. And there's nothing subliminal about it; not even any subtlety. If you don't want to get shot, don't throw stones at soldiers. It's really that simple.
"The word retaliation makes the viewers think that Israel has the right to defend itself even though they were the aggressors and the occupiers." All nations have the right to defend themselves, not just Israel. I understand a lot of Arabs feel the same way you do about this, which is a shame, because it precludes a peaceful outcome. Israel won't stop defending herself just because you think she shouldn't.
You asked me a question so let me ask you one which I find useful as a litmus test: Of what ethnicity and religion were the planners and perpetrators of 9/11, and what motivated them?
@Jason, I can't say that I enjoy conversing with a Zionist in disguise who presents himself in a different picture than he really is.
ReplyDeleteFYI Sabra and Shatila massacre was committed by the Phalangists and facilitated by Sharon and his troops who held the camps under siege, allowed Phalangists to enter. Israeli searchlights illuminated the camps, while Israeli army personnel watched through binoculars as the death squads spread unchallenged through the camps. Whole families were murdered, many were raped and tortured before being killed. So many bodies were heaped into lorries and taken away, or buried in mass graves. Doesn't it remind with Auschwitz with different people but similar ideology Nazism and Zionism?
“If you don't want to get shot, don't throw stones at soldiers. It's really that simple” Wow obviously you have never heard of the right to resistance under international humanitarian law which clearly stated that armed conflicts in which peoples are fighting against colonial domination and alien occupation and against racist regimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination.
I once asked a Palestinian what if Iran nuked Israel and Palestinians and Israelis died? His answer was “It would be better for us”. Like I said before Hopelessness will lead to the destruction of self and others.
I don't think you understand the concept of subliminal messages in the media and frankly I don't care you don't.
@Hazem, "I can't say that I enjoy conversing with a Zionist in disguise who presents himself in a different picture than he really is." I have no idea what you mean. I tell it as I see it. I'm not Jewish, if that's your implication. I think Israel has a right to exist, and I support a Palestinian state too, so maybe you should call me a Palestionist.
ReplyDeleteI answered your question: "What about the pregnant woman who could not reach the hospital to deliver her baby because of the Israeli blockade. Did you have goose skin watching that clip?
I have a hunch what your answer will be." so please don't forget to answer mine: "Of what ethnicity and religion were the planners and perpetrators of 9/11, and what motivated them?"
I am not being gratuitous in asking that. After 9/11 Americans were gobsmacked to hear many in the Arab world give bizarre theories about it, which I won't repeat here, preferring to see whether they spring spontaneously and unbidden from your lips. Of course you may decide not to answer, and that will be interesting too.